Another reason Buddhism doesn't get a pass.

[Brian37]

No you are not fine with anyone calling it nonsense otherwise why make the attempt to "correct" me.

He was just a man who started a religion, thats it. Other humans have started other religions.

"righteous life" yea ok, if Buddhism is a cure, then why do even Buddhist countries also have prisons? If Buddha were unifying to all Buddhists there would only be one sect. If the 4 Nobel Truths were also unifying that to would dictate there would be only one sect. You'd have me believe that Zen Buddhists, Chinese Buddhists and Tibet Buddhists all agree with how to implement those "4 Noble Truths"? 

 Buddha is no more unifying to Buddhists than Jesus is to Christians or Allah or Mo is to Muslims. All have within them their own competing sects of what constitutes a "righteous life".

"They aren't true Buddhists" "They weren't practicing it right" same excuses I get from every other religion.

No, those myths are why Buddhism took off. Watering it down is what all religions do to stay relevant. Christians pull that shit too. When for example, you point out the bullshit of talking snakes and talking donkeys they cop out to metaphor too. Sorry, but back when Buddha started selling his story the motif of purity birth was LITERALLY believed. 


Yea and? Plenty of other liberals in other religions who say "Do good, believe what you want". Oh and with all religions I really hate the word "practice", it is not practicing it is following. Again, there is not one religion that does not have the motif of "do good and be kind. I'd only say that Asia and the Oriental religions are less dogmatic. But they are still not the gatekeepers of morality.

Good Sir, I didn't want to try to correct you, All i wanted to state was that i don't believe in fantasy like what i explained. If there were instances like that those would be there in currents times as well. It was a long time ago, I believe People have manipulated and changed things according to their benefit, as with other religions.  However thankfully the core teachings has not changed (The precepts, 4 noble truths etc). I will give you an example, The basic 5 precepts are, Killing is wrong, Stealing is wrong, Adultery is wrong, Lying is wrong and consuming drugs and alcohol is wrong. When it says "Killing is wrong" for instance it applies to all living things in the world. Even a virus has the right to live. It doesn't segment living things in the water, land, underground etc etc. There is no manipulation like Halal for example. Fish is Halal and most of the land animals are not. The core teachings of Buddhism has not changed according to what i know and i hope people will not change it to their benefit.

Yes, Buddha was a man, human who started this. It is very difficult to call it a religion because it doesn't force anything on you. It is a way of living. most certainly not a cure. If it doesn't agree with you , you can always leave it and it is never considered a bad act or a misdeed. You tell me Sir, is that following or practicing?

I have been criticizing Christianity on a couple of threads because people have threatened me with religion.  I have been told by people who converted to Christianity recently that if i don't take Jesus Christ into my heart and think he is my only savior i am going to hell. I find that a direct threat. Just because of my lack of belief that I'm going to suffer is absurd.

Finally I am not trying to teach you Buddhism nor telling you that it makes sense. I just gave some insights to you because you have not practiced it but taken what other people have written or experienced. I hope you have a good day

@ Rhythm, Sir, I have told why i believe in Karma and rebirth. I am fine with it being fantasy. It is so that ill always try to do the right thing. I like to have a feeling in the back of my mind that whatever bad/good act i do will come back to me. However when i do good i do it without expectation. regardless of my beliefs.

There you go again, if you are not trying to teach us anything then why do you respond trying to correct us, and if you are not trying to claim it makes sense, again, why correct us? And please at least with my, skip the "sir" stuff, this isn't a formal setting like a ballet or 5 star restaurant. 

The basic 5 precepts are, Killing is wrong, Stealing is wrong, Adultery is wrong, Lying is wrong and consuming drugs and alcohol is wrong.

So? Again other religions have similar motifs in regards to those things.

1. Killing is wrong? No, not always, if someone was attacking my mom unprovoked and I knew damned well her life was in threat, and I could kill them before they kill her, I certainly would end their life.

Killing is wrong" for instance it applies to all living things in the world. Even a virus has the right to live.

If you want to get yourself stupidly killed and refuse to see a doctor because you got sick from a virus, be my guest, I am not that stupid, and especially with my mom, NO AND FUCK YOU! That logic is bat shit insane, even Buddhist countries have doctors and hospitals who study and fight viruses.

2. Stealing is wrong? When? What Bernie Maddoff did in his ponzy scheme was wrong absolutely. But if someone with no violent intent, who is homeless with a starving kid steals a loaf of bread to feed them, how would that be wrong?

3. Adultery is wrong? No, the sex is not wrong, the lying is wrong. And that is the same judgmental Orwellian garbage the god of Abraham has about sex so if you don't think Buddhists should stone adulterers to death as the god of Abraham demands, I'd say you are being half assed about your condemnation of it. 

4. Consuming drugs and alcohol is wrong? No again, breaking the law is wrong. Getting so intoxicated on anything to the point you destroy property or physically harm others is wrong, yes. You can abuse legal drugs too. Are all Buddhist countries dry countries? No? So again, seems if you value that list you really are being selective. 

5. Lying is wrong? You do know I debunk that with Christians too? If you were allowing an abused spouse to stay at your house and the abuser knocked on your door demanding to know where their spouse was, you'd let them in and tell them where they were? Or would you lie and say they are not there?

Now there are perfectly secular reasons that do not require one to be Buddhist or Muslim or Christian, that you refrain from doing the things above. But that list just as arbitrary "do as I say" as any other moral list of any other religion. It has nothing to do with educated reasons that allow for case by case situations.