infinite reasons made me not to believe islam

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To expect anyone to believe something based on other humans' say-so, without any real undeniable evidence, and then give them the worst possible punishment when they do the logical thing (not believe until there is proof)

it is not based on other humans saying something the messengers that god sent was given miracles that prove that what they are saying is from god. for us we are given a book that we have to examine to know wether its truth or not.if you are really searching for a proof and doing the logical thing you will find it as long as you are objective and putting an effort in doing this

Not believing in something is not cruel to the thing you don't believe in. Nonmuslims are not being cruel to allah, we simply don't believe he is real. We are not just pretending to disbelieve in order to make him angry, nor are we rebelling against him. How can we? We don't believe he is really there to be able to get angry or rebel against.

denying the existance of god doesnt come alone it comes with certain things inside you like being arrogant towards him

At least here you are admitting he is a dictator and you are a slave to his rules. You are there to follow orders and make him happy. Now, let us think, is he a nice dictator or a cruel one?

you are applying the rules we have on god which doesnt make sense as he is not like us and nothing is like him so you cant apply the rules that applies to humans to him

With murder, we have solid evidence that the penalty is real. We can see pictures of jails, talk to people who have been there, and see the murderers get sentenced by a very real judge. In the case of hell, we only hear old stories that say it is real, there are no pictures, we know the body and its ability to feel pain/torment does not work after death, and no one has ever shown that any kind of judge exists. How can a merciful authority figure punish people for their disbelief under these circumstances?

part of the test is to believe what you dont see or touch using logic and reason and understanding and if those things didnt make you believe nothing will and even after the life you will be acting the same as you was in this life and every proof you will see you will find a theory invented that you will follow or you will find an exit that will also lead to non believing(this is based on that you have personal reasons not to believe and not on that you are really searching with logic for an evidence)

But let us pretend that hell is real for a moment. In that case, maybe you will follow the rules because the penalty is so severe and scary. That makes sense now. But what if you disagree on what the penalty should be for breaking the rules? Sure, you will still follow them, it would be stupid not to, but will you make yourself believe that the penalty is just? For a crime of disobedience,

as long as i can choose anything is just because i knew the result before i did it.if i break the rules god tells us that he will forgive us but there is certain things that is really bad like denying god existance whatever you did in your whole life if you become a believer god will forgive you.dont talk about disobediance to god as its the same like being disobediant to the law of your country it is a lot bigger than this and god still forgives the most horrible mistakes that can be done

let's say during 75 years of living, someone never prays unless people are watching. Maybe they are even angry at being told what to do, and they have an unlikable selfish personality. Does that really deserve an ETERNITY of TORTURE? Why is the punishment not people (and god) treating that person badly for the first 75 years of the afterlife? Would that not fit the crime a lot better?

because he is not just bad in his life he chose to be bad and he will be like this all the time even if he had another chance.(if you want me to bring verses from the Quran to support what am saying i will do it)

Not very nice considering the crime of not praying causes no real harm to anyone, including god

ignoring prayers is like saying that god created me and gave me a lot of good things but i cant worship him because am lazy or i have a more important things its not a small thing as you think

Well, now we're talking! Everyone has a price they can be bought for

its not a price its a result of your deeds

I'm convinced of that. What is your god offering me in return for a lifetime (not sure how many years total yet) of obedience?

do you think that your believe and good deeds are prices? the good soul will enter paradise anything you do is for yourself not for anyone else

Some rewards are well worth the advance price one paid. Remember I am female though, so I don't want any 72 virgin girls when I die. I don't want 72 virgin boys either. If I want sex, I will decide for myself who it is with, and how many there are, and also whether or not their virginity matters to me. Also, what if I myself am a virgin? Does that mean I must have sex for eternity with some guy that I am assigned to by your god? That is not very enticing. Let's pretend I did the right thing and had a husband during my life. Do I finally get to have sex with other men in the afterlife, or must I still have sex with only him? What is there to do in paradise? I like pleasure and happiness. What is there in paradise that will give me these? What is the social structure like? Are there any rules?

you are messing everything up lol i will make it short in paradise you have whatever you want and more anything you could imagine you will find better than it

Hearing people tell you about it is not proof. Neither is a book of rules you are told by humans is holy, even if the book was carefully written without any contradictions that you can see. That does not mean a magic creator god must have written it. Also, your god would have to let people know which of the thousands of gods he is. Otherwise, how will they know he is not a hindu god or goddess? He will have to tell people 'the muslims were right'. So, even if a person believes that there must be some sort of god, there must be proof as to which one.

why you are talking like we cant defferintiate between the right thing and the wrong thing?there is a lot of proofs that god exist and i started a thread about this hope to see you objective

That person enjoys things, that's a good trait because happy people spread that happiness to others. They are living in a way they see is good, and that's an excellent trait, one that will have a good effect on both himself and the people around him and those he influences too. He is being good even though you think there are reasons he should not live in a manner he thinks is good, well I'm on his side with that too.

sometimes there are things that are bad on the long term and its not clear for the people doing it that it may lead to a really bad things.if someone is enjoying life thats not a sin and there is no problem with that the problem is with forgetting about god who is the reason for anything he have

You think I can't believe in god unless I first believe in god

lol i mean that you cant ask is god merciful or not then in the middle of the conversation you say that i dont believe he gave me anything if you want to know what we say about god you must assume that he exist(even if you dont believe yet)`

then who made that creator? And who made that creator of the creator?

this question have no answer as nobody said that god is created.and you must admit that our knowledge has limits and there is things we will never understand

Everything they do would be in fear and hope of what they are expecting on the judgement day they believe will happen to them after death.

its not like that for some people start like that but i have never seen anyone that do the good things for hope and leave the bad thing for fear there is another feeling that i cant even describe that later takes place

They might be more religious because they are new at it and very enthusiastic. They also want to fit in to their new peer group and to do that they feel they must practice it as correctly as possible.

read their books they have a deeper look about things muslim do that many others do it and not appreciate it or love it like the new muslims