(September 15, 2016 at 8:35 pm)Jesster Wrote:What I was talking about before was the balance between freedom and safety. My point was two fold. In order for a society to be there must aways be some level of crime, however small, and that when you trade power to the government for safety, safety is not what you get. I think Parsons in 1984.(September 15, 2016 at 8:31 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Then your question becomes what rights do you want to give up? For example are willing to let the government have cameras in your bedroom because the asshole three blocks over raped his wife? If you say " of course, I would never do such a thing, I have nothing to hide" then what happens when the states values differ from your own? Maybe you spank your wife during sex and the government does not approve, what then?
My rights end where they begin to trample over someone else, and visa versa, of course. That being said, I seem to have misinterpreted where you were going with your point. I'm not arguing to penalize people before they commit a crime. This isn't quite a straw man yet, but I'm not going to argue the point that you seem to be aiming at me. I'm not sure where all of that came from, because it doesn't seem to belong in this thread.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.