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Who was "he" talking to?
RE: Who was "he" talking to?
(January 16, 2017 at 7:16 pm)Godschild Wrote: I could say the same thing about evolution, no one can ever demonstrate one species becoming another because by the science of evolution it would take many thousands of years to do, seems a convenient answer doesn't it.
It's not a convenient answer, it's what has been discovered through the application of the scientific method.  No matter where a scientist is from or what he believes, he can reach the same conclusion as other scientists via this method.  This is exactly the opposite of gods and religions, where there is no reliable method for determining if there is a god, much less who it or they are.  So the theory of evolution is accepted by nearly every scientist, but there is no unified belief in god even among the most devout.

Quote:Two things here, first there's the fact that the God of creation is the only one who tells us through a book who He is and that He's unchanging, that is as far as I know, I do not know all the religions out there.
That's the same for pretty much any religious person, as there are too many religions and denominations for anyone to investigate more than just a handful.  Yet all of those people are as confident as you are that their beliefs are true and yours are either false or mistaken to some degree.  That's the point I am making-- the people who claim to have found god have not found the same one, but they are nonetheless convinced that their choice is sound.

Quote:It means that you will not shield your spirit from the Holy Spirit, as God said about pharaoh, "he has hardened his heart."
How would I shield my spirit from the holy spirit?  I suspect that we won't ever get down to actual details, just these vague explanations.  Theists will tell us that god can be found via one means or another, but they don't offer specific steps.  This happens across faiths and it is another example of a method that isn't clear or consistent.

Quote:Yes you're correct and you have shown what I stated to be true, they rejected who He is, they did not say He doesn't exist.
I think you misunderstood my point in these examples.  They knew god directly and personally and still rejected him.  Someone as magnificent as god is supposed to be would leave everyone he encounters awestruck, but god leaves people wanting all the time.  That does not make sense.

Quote:First of all Adam and Eve disobeyed God, what they did was not a rejection.
They rejected god's claim to sovereignty when they took action against his wishes.  They rejected his offer of eternal life by taking an action that would guarantee their death.

Quote:Satan and the other angels didn't believe He was omnipotent and could destroy them, they were and are powerful beings. They found out differently as we can see when some of them encountered Jesus here on earth where they were banned and asked Him not to destroy them. So yes they knew him but not well enough to believe in His omni-person. I do. Pharaoh thought he was a more powerful god and rejected God's omnipotence, he learned the hard way. I believe in His omnipotence. Judas did not believe Jesus was the all knowing God and rejected Him as the omniscient and omnipotent God because He would not destroy the Romans. I do. Those who saw the miracles and rejected Him just refuse to believe. I believe in God as He has shown himself to be, so I want speak for those others and the depth of their belief, what I will say is that I believe in the total of the God they rejected.
What makes you say that these individuals thought this way?  There is no reason for them to have.  Why would god allow them --especially his angels-- to be misguided in such a way?

Quote:Yes they did as you are doing, defying even to damnation. They just like you haven't accepted Christ as the savior He is, they all thought they knew more than God, those who in the past have rejected Him will pay a horrible price, will you. No matter who's in the White House there will be those who reject the president even though they have had contact with him/her so it's not contact that makes the difference, it is believing in who God is. Most people who are not impressed with God do not know who He is.
That would be god's fault, if he was real.  And that's the thing-- god seems to be a poor character because he is made up.  A real god would not really care what the beings on a speck of dust in his cosmic living room thought about him, and he certainly would not plan out eternal torment for them.  That's what makes him so unimpressive.  Gods are always created with human flaws even when they are designed as a form of wish-fulfillment.  Only indoctrination and cultural pressure keep people from stepping back and realizing that it's imaginary.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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