RE: "Why not a proof/Sign/indication" - challenge and various responses to it in Quran.
November 16, 2017 at 2:22 pm
(This post was last modified: November 16, 2017 at 2:26 pm by Aoi Magi.)
(November 15, 2017 at 4:26 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: In two verses we saw that God is ready to show the signs and proofs. And not only that but reminded proofs of not only his existence but proofs of his oneness. The question arises, what makes us perceive these "truths", what makes us perceive we are created through the vision of a witness and perfect absolute judge, mainly that we are created through the truth of his judgement.
This is a good question. Something humans do believe intrinsically is that wisdom and morality is guidance on how to act. We know it doesn't compel us or force us to act, but an essential question to humans is what is the nature of this guidance?
In this regard, Quran says "Say:Indeed the guidance of God is the guidance" (3:73) and elsewhere Moses is quoted to have said regarding God "The one who gave everything it's creation and then guides it (20:50).
In fact, moral argument is implied in this, but is not the sole argument being made with respect to the true religion, but a lot more is being said in context of the Surahs and Quran.
Another important verse is the "God is the light of the heavens and the earth" famous verse.
What is the nature of Guidance?
It's easy to say you believe in morality and goodness, but what is but guidance from God? And what sees the truth but love of the truth and sheer honesty. When we lie to ourselves, we see but falsehood.
We will see the details of how Quran defines morality and goodness in a clear decisive manner which not only proves God but proves the proper religion.
MK, assertions are not evidence or proof.. so far you are only providing assertions.. you are asserting "allah" is a witness, but you haven't provided any evidence of such. You are asserting that our morality comes from allah, and here too you didn't provide any evidence to back it up. If you really believe in Allah and are not trolling, ask him to help you understand the difference between assertion and proof first before trying to make your case here.
(November 16, 2017 at 7:57 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: Yes MK; You are correct; these verses also prove that even if the clear signs were shown; if God didn't will for the soul to believe; the person won't believe.
You are correct in your analysis.
So allah wants the preachers to continue humiliating themselves infront of skeptics as usual? That's really benevolent of him
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