Just because She's Topless

[RoadRunner79]

I have a question, from some previous conversations.  I apologize if this is too far off topic, but this came to mind from this post.

This stems from some talks about harm as a basis of objective morality.  I felt there was some disconnect, in what was meant by objective in those discussions, epistemology vs ontology and so on.  However this illustration has me curious if I understand correctly for those who view harm as the foundation for what is immoral.


Now I am making some assumptions here.  First that the boob grab was just a touch.  Second it's difficult to tell how well the punch was landed by the woman (as some commented it should have been more); for the sake of the discussion, assume some damage such as a black eye.

I can't remember who I was talking with about harm and morality.  But for any who hold this view, then would the girl be in the wrong, since the objective harm was done against the man?

Minimizing harm doesn't require the abrogation of self defense. I don't much care that the boob grab was 'just a touch' - to any sensible person, it qualifies as assault. Her boobs, her body, her right to stomp this guy flat.  THAT is the moral justification for what she did. 

Boru

I'm not saying anything about self defense (by the way, I don't think that was defense).   What harm was done?   So if he tapped her on the shoulder and she took offense, then she would be justified in assaulting him back?  What are the limits that one can return the assault back for a touch. 

I'm not justifying what the guy did at all... he was certainly wrong; and, I agree he deserves what he got or more.  However this seems like a good illustration against the harm view, particularly the one presented previously talking about it being objective.  Harm doesn't seem to be a sufficient basis, for evaluation.

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Now I remember... thanks!
What objective harm was done in groping? 

Saunter over this way, I'll grab your dick, and then you can ask yourself that very, very silly question.

I don't think that the guy intended harm or was thinking about harming the girl.

I know right?  Probably just one of those guys that, like you.........question what objective harm is done by sexual assault.  -and that's why we have to live in a world where gropers need to be punched.

I agree that it is wrong, so if you want to continue along these lines, it is a straw man.

I also think that you are trying to direct things towards me, to avoid the issue.