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[Serious] Removing misconceptions of my path.
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RE: Removing misconceptions of my path.
Ismail and "Hajar"

One of the things I noticed in Quran, is that Quran says not a word regarding Hajar who supposedly was a slave of Abraham and Sarah and who Abraham had Ismail through.  Somethings to recall is that according to the Torah, Abraham had other children before that, but it was pertaining to the covenant and chosen guides type children he and Sarah were awaiting.

Of course, it's easier to dismiss the importance of Ismail despite clear words praising him in the Torah and the Twelve princes promised in his offspring, which is in context of the Kingship bestowed by God and not worldly type authority, if you make up a story that Ismail was not born from Sarah.  Sarah was a holy lady at the level of Abraham.  So it seems to follow, if God wanted Ismail to be as important as Isaac, he would have made him born from Sarah.

In the hadiths it is said that Sarah was so severely jealous of Hajar that he made her and Ismail to be settled by themselves.  The Quran however, never confirms this, and instead shows there was a divine purpose and plan from settling Ismail there and Hajar not mentioned anywhere.

Implications of Hajar being a slave

Aside from trying to be belittle the covenant of Ismail, there is the problem of slavery.  Right from the start, you have Abraham, God's elite and chosen and guided and enlightened, having slave. You have Sarah so angry at this poor slave and so jealous.  It's a story that not only justifies cruelty in the form of banishing Hajar, it also, allows slavery.

If Quran were to do away with this notion, it must provide alternative story. The alternative story, was the Abraham and Ismail built the Kaba and were preparing the way for the Messenger to come from Ismail.  Not a mention of Hajjar and alternative more noble purpose of settling them there is provided.

Story of Imam Reda (as) and slaves by the Sultan

There is ahadith about Imam Reda (as) where the Sultan gets the slaves of his to all eat. Imam Reda (as) says they should be eating with them and there is no ranks except by Taqwa and says that ALL are in fact servants of God. Now this has significance, in that, this is what Moses (as) is quoted to say regarding the slaves of Pharaoh in Quran. He says "let the servants of God go with me", and the fact they are servants of God is used to argue they shouldn't be slaves.


In this regard Imam Reda (as) is only reminding of a fact in Quran, but the fact, the story of Moses freeing the children of Israel is a story, that humans should not be enslaved as we are servants of God. Yes part of that was they were believers and it's upon God to deliver the believers eventually from their oppressors but aside from that, slavery was wrong and clear injustice of Pharaoh is seen in this regard where he heightens a portion of his people and lowers a portion of his people, and this said to be mischief in the earth.

...to be continued.
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Removing misconceptions of my path. - by Mystic - January 5, 2020 at 12:18 pm
RE: Removing misconceptions of my path. - by LastPoet - January 5, 2020 at 12:22 pm
RE: Removing misconceptions of my path. - by Mystic - January 5, 2020 at 12:41 pm
RE: Removing misconceptions of my path. - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 5, 2020 at 12:51 pm
RE: Removing misconceptions of my path. - by Brian37 - January 5, 2020 at 12:58 pm
RE: Removing misconceptions of my path. - by Mystic - January 5, 2020 at 1:00 pm
RE: Removing misconceptions of my path. - by Brian37 - January 5, 2020 at 1:11 pm
RE: Removing misconceptions of my path. - by LastPoet - January 5, 2020 at 1:07 pm
RE: Removing misconceptions of my path. - by Mystic - January 5, 2020 at 1:14 pm
RE: Removing misconceptions of my path. - by Brian37 - January 5, 2020 at 1:33 pm
RE: Removing misconceptions of my path. - by Mystic - January 5, 2020 at 2:37 pm
RE: Removing misconceptions of my path. - by Paleophyte - January 5, 2020 at 9:25 pm
RE: Removing misconceptions of my path. - by LadyForCamus - January 7, 2020 at 11:05 am
RE: Removing misconceptions of my path. - by WinterHold - January 7, 2020 at 12:23 pm
RE: Removing misconceptions of my path. - by Brian37 - January 7, 2020 at 12:46 pm
RE: Removing misconceptions of my path. - by LastPoet - January 5, 2020 at 1:18 pm
RE: Removing misconceptions of my path. - by Mystic - January 5, 2020 at 1:21 pm
RE: Removing misconceptions of my path. - by brewer - January 5, 2020 at 4:37 pm
RE: Removing misconceptions of my path. - by Helios - January 6, 2020 at 12:52 am
RE: Removing misconceptions of my path. - by LadyForCamus - January 6, 2020 at 12:57 am
RE: Removing misconceptions of my path. - by Mr Greene - January 7, 2020 at 5:55 am
RE: Removing misconceptions of my path. - by Deesse23 - January 7, 2020 at 9:10 am
RE: Removing misconceptions of my path. - by Shell B - January 7, 2020 at 9:58 am

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