Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: March 28, 2024, 1:49 pm

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
God as a non-creator
#1
God as a non-creator
You have all seen (and will see more of them in future) topics desperately trying to distort science of evolution, genetics, archaeology, and whatnot, to fit God in somwhere.

So perhaps this topic is trying to meet theists half way there - so to speak.

Let me remind theists first that evolution does not equal atheism. It may debunk creator gods like Yahweh and Allah, and Jesus because his godliness depends on Adam's existence (but then it's not just evolution that is problematic, but also archaeology that shows there's no garden of Eden; genetics that shows there were never just two humans in the past, Google earth because we can't see the firewall around the forbidden tree, etc.) But there were other gods that were not considered creators like Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, Sai Baba...

So if someone is honest in their search for God (as theists claim to be) then why not use science to find God instead of distorting, dismissing and ignoring science that debunks God that you want to believe in? After all there is no definition of God so he doesn't have to be a creator.

If science shows you some God is implausible then why not dump that God and try to find some other that could be scientifically plausible - or, put in other words, find some other god that science cannot debunk?
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
Reply



Messages In This Thread
God as a non-creator - by Fake Messiah - January 17, 2020 at 2:48 pm
RE: God as a non-creator - by Brian37 - January 17, 2020 at 2:58 pm
RE: God as a non-creator - by no one - January 17, 2020 at 3:40 pm
RE: God as a non-creator - by WinterHold - January 18, 2020 at 12:58 pm
RE: God as a non-creator - by The Grand Nudger - January 18, 2020 at 1:14 pm
RE: God as a non-creator - by WinterHold - January 18, 2020 at 1:58 pm
RE: God as a non-creator - by Mr Greene - January 18, 2020 at 5:49 pm
RE: God as a non-creator - by Belacqua - January 18, 2020 at 7:20 pm
RE: God as a non-creator - by Fake Messiah - January 21, 2020 at 8:36 am
RE: God as a non-creator - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 18, 2020 at 2:04 pm
RE: God as a non-creator - by WinterHold - January 18, 2020 at 2:48 pm
RE: God as a non-creator - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 18, 2020 at 3:38 pm
RE: God as a non-creator - by Fireball - January 18, 2020 at 6:24 pm
RE: God as a non-creator - by The Grand Nudger - January 18, 2020 at 4:56 pm

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Creator God Gets to Make the Rules zwanzig 25 1926 August 6, 2023 at 3:59 pm
Last Post: LinuxGal
  Can you be a "Non religious muslim"? Woah0 31 1729 August 22, 2022 at 8:22 pm
Last Post: BrianSoddingBoru4
  Persistent Non-Symbolic Experiences Ahriman 0 530 August 18, 2021 at 4:05 pm
Last Post: Ahriman
  Questions about the European renaissance and religion to non believers Quill01 6 636 January 31, 2021 at 7:16 pm
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  [Serious] Care to Seriously Consider the Existance of a Creator (God)? theMadJW 117 9971 April 29, 2020 at 12:40 pm
Last Post: polymath257
  Being can come from non-being Alex K 55 6987 January 15, 2020 at 10:40 pm
Last Post: Jehanne
  Being cannot come from Non-being Otangelo 147 13129 January 7, 2020 at 7:08 am
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  If there is a creator, so what? robvalue 334 28169 November 21, 2016 at 3:34 pm
Last Post: philadelphialawyer
  Non Sequitur Minimalist 8 1536 August 20, 2016 at 4:33 am
Last Post: Little lunch
  Deism vs Religion (Non-guidance vs guidance). Mystic 21 3798 March 1, 2016 at 2:18 am
Last Post: robvalue



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)