God as a non-creator
January 17, 2020 at 2:48 pm
(This post was last modified: January 17, 2020 at 2:50 pm by Fake Messiah.)
You have all seen (and will see more of them in future) topics desperately trying to distort science of evolution, genetics, archaeology, and whatnot, to fit God in somwhere.
So perhaps this topic is trying to meet theists half way there - so to speak.
Let me remind theists first that evolution does not equal atheism. It may debunk creator gods like Yahweh and Allah, and Jesus because his godliness depends on Adam's existence (but then it's not just evolution that is problematic, but also archaeology that shows there's no garden of Eden; genetics that shows there were never just two humans in the past, Google earth because we can't see the firewall around the forbidden tree, etc.) But there were other gods that were not considered creators like Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, Sai Baba...
So if someone is honest in their search for God (as theists claim to be) then why not use science to find God instead of distorting, dismissing and ignoring science that debunks God that you want to believe in? After all there is no definition of God so he doesn't have to be a creator.
If science shows you some God is implausible then why not dump that God and try to find some other that could be scientifically plausible - or, put in other words, find some other god that science cannot debunk?
So perhaps this topic is trying to meet theists half way there - so to speak.
Let me remind theists first that evolution does not equal atheism. It may debunk creator gods like Yahweh and Allah, and Jesus because his godliness depends on Adam's existence (but then it's not just evolution that is problematic, but also archaeology that shows there's no garden of Eden; genetics that shows there were never just two humans in the past, Google earth because we can't see the firewall around the forbidden tree, etc.) But there were other gods that were not considered creators like Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, Sai Baba...
So if someone is honest in their search for God (as theists claim to be) then why not use science to find God instead of distorting, dismissing and ignoring science that debunks God that you want to believe in? After all there is no definition of God so he doesn't have to be a creator.
If science shows you some God is implausible then why not dump that God and try to find some other that could be scientifically plausible - or, put in other words, find some other god that science cannot debunk?
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"