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A new Confederacy
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RE: A new Confederacy
(January 13, 2021 at 6:21 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:
(January 13, 2021 at 3:42 pm)Spongebob Wrote: Perhaps, but somehow I still don't see that happening.  I assume that "right" extends to the police, yes?  How many times have you seen video of cops just go along with one or two that are beating an unarmed man to death because he wouldn't stop arguing with them?  Did you see the video of George Floyd?  It was one guy doing the damage while others stood around looking confused.  When they asked him if they should let him up, the cop barked at them and they backed off quickly.  Underlings don't disobey their commanders on a general basis; they are indoctrinated NOT to do that.

You see the videos you agree with, like most other people.

I absolutely reject that accusation!  Like any human, I have biases, but I'm not blind enough to not understand that police do not pose for selfies when a government building is being raided.  And I'm not calling the entire police force corrupt either.  Most police were trying to protect the building and keep the invaders out, but there were some who were waving them in and playing nice with them.  Investigations have already identified some who did not do their duty and several off duty police officers from outside DC have been identified as participants in the insurrection.  You clearly just don't want to accept that we do have corrupt police and likely military personnel who would follow Trump if he were able to successfully stage a coup.  That's fine, keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep.

(January 13, 2021 at 6:26 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: It's not a right, at any rate - us forces have a duty to refuse unlawful orders, and the failure to do so is consequential.  In that sense, to the extent that these movements actively recruit military personnel (and they do) the ideology that they're espousing is antithetical to the indoctrination that servicemembers receive.  

It's a common misapprehension that we're indoctrinated to be loyal to our leaders - and, as a matter of actual practice - we're certainly not.  We are to remain loyal to our oaths no matter what our generally reviled chain of command tells us to do.  That's how we protect ourselves, that's how we protect others.

If someone ordered me to overthrow the us government I'd treat it about the same as someone ordering me to shove my hand up my ass.  I would refuse on general principle, note that the order is wildly unlawful, remind the superior that I am lazy, and then finally have real practical questions as to how they imagined I'd be able to have accomplished it anyway.  At gunpoint, I would simply fail to achieve the objective.  "Sir, I'm sorry sir, I have giant fucking hands sir!" .

That, is a soldiers right, rather than duty.  The right to fail.  The right to miss.

That's all well and good, but you aren't a Trumpist.
Why is it so?
~Julius Sumner Miller
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A new Confederacy - by Spongebob - January 12, 2021 at 12:59 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 12, 2021 at 1:02 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by Ranjr - January 12, 2021 at 1:06 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 12, 2021 at 5:49 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by Brian37 - January 12, 2021 at 6:21 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 12, 2021 at 6:33 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by Brian37 - January 12, 2021 at 6:36 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 12, 2021 at 6:38 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by Rev. Rye - January 12, 2021 at 8:40 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by Rhizomorph13 - January 12, 2021 at 8:42 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by GUBU - January 13, 2021 at 5:57 am
RE: A new Confederacy - by AFTT47 - January 12, 2021 at 8:48 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by Rhizomorph13 - January 12, 2021 at 9:40 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by Peebo-Thuhlu - January 12, 2021 at 10:47 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by Fireball - January 12, 2021 at 11:27 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 13, 2021 at 5:31 am
RE: A new Confederacy - by HappySkeptic - January 13, 2021 at 10:28 am
RE: A new Confederacy - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 13, 2021 at 9:37 am
RE: A new Confederacy - by Spongebob - January 13, 2021 at 9:50 am
RE: A new Confederacy - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 13, 2021 at 10:33 am
RE: A new Confederacy - by Mister Agenda - January 13, 2021 at 10:39 am
RE: A new Confederacy - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 13, 2021 at 10:49 am
RE: A new Confederacy - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 13, 2021 at 12:27 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by Spongebob - January 13, 2021 at 12:48 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 13, 2021 at 1:23 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by The Grand Nudger - January 13, 2021 at 11:48 am
RE: A new Confederacy - by The Grand Nudger - January 13, 2021 at 12:50 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by Spongebob - January 13, 2021 at 3:24 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 13, 2021 at 4:00 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by The Grand Nudger - January 13, 2021 at 1:50 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by Spongebob - January 13, 2021 at 3:42 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 13, 2021 at 6:21 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by Spongebob - January 13, 2021 at 6:46 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by onlinebiker - January 13, 2021 at 6:54 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 13, 2021 at 6:56 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 13, 2021 at 3:32 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by The Grand Nudger - January 13, 2021 at 5:31 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by Spongebob - January 13, 2021 at 6:03 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 13, 2021 at 6:53 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by The Grand Nudger - January 13, 2021 at 6:09 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by The Grand Nudger - January 13, 2021 at 6:26 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by The Grand Nudger - January 13, 2021 at 6:57 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by Rev. Rye - January 13, 2021 at 7:00 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by The Grand Nudger - January 13, 2021 at 7:03 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by Spongebob - January 13, 2021 at 7:05 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by The Grand Nudger - January 13, 2021 at 7:07 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by Rev. Rye - January 13, 2021 at 7:11 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by Ryantology - January 26, 2021 at 11:21 pm
RE: A new Confederacy - by The Grand Nudger - January 26, 2021 at 11:49 pm

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