(May 6, 2021 at 10:41 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: (May 5, 2021 at 9:53 am)Drich Wrote: says who?
Words, that's who.
who's words? unlike most of you, written words have no intrinsic value (internal value/value on their own) what gives words value is who spoke them and how they measure to the truth.
Quote:They're looking for a man - not a god. The term exclusively refers to a man - not a god. Historical jesus, not legendary jesus or mythical christ.
again another very distinct difference between our thought processes. i do not allow myself to cut out historically documented events just because they do not fit my narrative. take the document or leave it. i can not cherry pick what i want to believe.
Quote:Jesus of the gospels is legendary, christ is mythical. Luke wasn't a historian of any kind.
my short minded brother there wasn't a university of historical record keeping a 1st century historian must graduate from to be considered a proper historian. what made a 1st century writer a historian was the subject matter he wrote about. if he recorded events or researched and recorded events he was deemed a historian. luke fits this bill like it or not. what's more his non affiliation with the church in the book of Luke makes that record a secular account.
Quote:Christ is both mythical and composite - ergo not even a candidate for any historical jesus.
that's not true.. again i provided a list of period correct historians who all establish christ as a living breathing man who lived in the time and place the bible describes. like it or not, Christ is an establish person in that time period more so than any other living figure in that time or place,aside from the emperor of rome. Real/non biased historian can not deny Christ. not without calling every other person who was said to be alive in that same time and place. as there is more written by christ than those who you take for granted were there.
Quote:Exactly. You do not believe that any historical jesus existed. You believe in a mythical christ to the exclusion of any contrapositive claim about a historic man. That's why none of their research buttresses your superstitions. None of those guys, is your guy. You're looking for a god - they're talking about a man.
you just making wild accusations at this point trying to red herring off topic.. when ever you collect yourself and want to have a real discussion then please address the topic in a way that reflects the things i have said.
