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Imagine this...
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RE: Imagine this...
(May 6, 2021 at 1:51 pm)Nomad Wrote:
(May 4, 2021 at 3:49 pm)Drich Wrote: and like it or not in the official writing of josephus, jesus is mention as well in 4 other historical documents written by period historians:
https://dowym.com/voices/5-secular-non-b...-ministry/

Of the five writers:

1) Tacitus was writing about 80-100 years after Jesus' alleged death and not about Jesus either but a group which as far as we can tell were called Chrestians or followers of Chrestus (the oldest extant copy has a clear rubbing out of the e in "Chrestianos" and insterting of an i to make it "Christianos".  So no, not a reference to Jesus, maybe a reference to christians, though not likely.

2) The Babylonian Talmud was written after 200CE when christianity was an established religion in direct competition to judaism.  It mentioning Jesus has no bearing on whether Jesus was a historical figure, no more than books refuting the Hellenic religion are a proof of Zeus' existence.  Also, as a religious document, it is not "secular".

3) Josephus, see above.  We know he didn't write about Jesus and we can pretty much point out who inserted the references to Jesus in Josephus' works; Eusebius in c 325CE.

4) There is no evidence that Mara ben-Serapion wrote about Jesus.  That is simply a post-hoc justification by christian apologists to give a fake legitimacy to their mythology.  And the fact that he was talking about a Jewish king that was murdered by necessity precludes him talking about Jesus.

5) Pliny wasn't talking about Jesus, he was talking about a crazy cult known as christians who were causing trouble for the good governance of the provence he was Pro-Consul.  Not evidence for Jesus, no more than Bergoglio in Rome today is.

So Drippy your link is nought for five.  How does it feel to be constantly shown to be a luddite know-nothing mountebank?

Nice summary, but do you really think that Drich cares about this? If he did he would already know it, but he doesn't know, and he will never care.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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Imagine this... - by Jehanne - May 2, 2021 at 11:48 am
RE: Imagine this... - by purplepurpose - May 2, 2021 at 12:11 pm
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RE: Imagine this... - by Jehanne - May 2, 2021 at 5:52 pm
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RE: Imagine this... - by Belacqua - May 2, 2021 at 7:58 pm
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RE: Imagine this... - by arewethereyet - May 2, 2021 at 9:43 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by Jehanne - May 2, 2021 at 8:38 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by Belacqua - May 2, 2021 at 9:47 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by arewethereyet - May 2, 2021 at 9:50 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by Peebo-Thuhlu - May 2, 2021 at 10:16 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by Belacqua - May 2, 2021 at 10:42 pm
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RE: Imagine this... - by Belacqua - May 2, 2021 at 11:34 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by Jehanne - May 2, 2021 at 11:47 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by Belacqua - May 2, 2021 at 11:58 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by Jehanne - May 3, 2021 at 12:13 am
RE: Imagine this... - by Peebo-Thuhlu - May 3, 2021 at 12:52 am
RE: Imagine this... - by Belacqua - May 3, 2021 at 2:18 am
RE: Imagine this... - by Peebo-Thuhlu - May 3, 2021 at 2:27 am
RE: Imagine this... - by Belacqua - May 3, 2021 at 2:44 am
RE: Imagine this... - by WinterHold - May 3, 2021 at 4:50 am
RE: Imagine this... - by Fake Messiah - May 3, 2021 at 5:22 am
RE: Imagine this... - by Jehanne - May 3, 2021 at 6:58 am
RE: Imagine this... - by Nomad - May 3, 2021 at 12:45 pm
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RE: Imagine this... - by The Grand Nudger - May 3, 2021 at 7:06 am
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RE: Imagine this... - by Nomad - May 3, 2021 at 3:04 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by Jehanne - May 3, 2021 at 3:27 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by Peebo-Thuhlu - May 3, 2021 at 4:10 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by Belacqua - May 3, 2021 at 4:52 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by Peebo-Thuhlu - May 3, 2021 at 5:50 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by Belacqua - May 3, 2021 at 7:43 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by Fake Messiah - May 4, 2021 at 1:01 am
RE: Imagine this... - by The Grand Nudger - May 3, 2021 at 4:17 pm
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RE: Imagine this... - by vulcanlogician - May 3, 2021 at 5:34 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by Peebo-Thuhlu - May 4, 2021 at 12:04 am
RE: Imagine this... - by Belacqua - May 4, 2021 at 12:25 am
RE: Imagine this... - by Peebo-Thuhlu - May 4, 2021 at 1:16 am
RE: Imagine this... - by Fake Messiah - May 4, 2021 at 3:01 am
RE: Imagine this... - by Irreligious Atheist - May 4, 2021 at 10:18 am
RE: Imagine this... - by Fake Messiah - May 4, 2021 at 11:10 am
RE: Imagine this... - by Ranjr - May 4, 2021 at 1:44 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by Fake Messiah - May 4, 2021 at 2:37 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by The Grand Nudger - May 4, 2021 at 2:42 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by Drich - May 4, 2021 at 3:49 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by Fake Messiah - May 5, 2021 at 12:50 am
RE: Imagine this... - by Nomad - May 6, 2021 at 1:51 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by Fake Messiah - May 13, 2021 at 1:55 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by Drich - May 13, 2021 at 1:59 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by Fake Messiah - May 13, 2021 at 6:24 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by The Grand Nudger - May 4, 2021 at 3:54 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by Drich - May 5, 2021 at 9:53 am
RE: Imagine this... - by Fake Messiah - May 5, 2021 at 10:51 am
RE: Imagine this... - by Jehanne - May 5, 2021 at 10:15 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by Ranjr - May 6, 2021 at 10:02 am
RE: Imagine this... - by The Grand Nudger - May 6, 2021 at 10:41 am
RE: Imagine this... - by Drich - May 11, 2021 at 4:12 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by The Grand Nudger - May 6, 2021 at 2:41 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by no one - May 11, 2021 at 4:18 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by Ranjr - May 11, 2021 at 11:21 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by The Grand Nudger - May 12, 2021 at 3:30 am
RE: Imagine this... - by Drich - May 13, 2021 at 1:39 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - May 13, 2021 at 1:52 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by The Grand Nudger - May 13, 2021 at 2:39 pm

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