(April 18, 2022 at 4:56 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: That may be how islam works, at least according to you - but it's not how logic works. You'll need at least one more premise before it's even valid. You probably don;t recognize it as much because it's a fundamental article of your faith. When you imagine gods, you can't imagine them outside this silent premise, and so don't realize that you've made it.
Can you identify what the silent premise is or at least could be, to give you something like a valid form?
Maybe you're referring to the premise that anything God says is true. Yeah, I thought this one is too obvious to be spelled out because, obviously, I mean by God here the God of classical theism, and I think omnibenevolence entails not leading people astray i.e. not relaying false accounts in scripture.
You could say that this premise is included in the word "God" that entails a personal agent who is truthful. In this sense, the argument is valid, and a Muslim is indeed justified in believing an event E happened based on the sole fact that the Qur'an recounts it, provided, of course, that they have adequate justification for the Qur'an being God's word.
(April 18, 2022 at 4:56 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Though I will point out, that you've gone from "hadith science"...to hadith irrelevancy, at this point, haven't you? It's not even important whether or not the thing you're so embarrassed of you'd bullshit strangers about it really is worthy, can really cash that check. Me neither, telephone.
Well, this is because the specific event of the splitting of the Moon is in the Qur'an. There are however, as I already said, other reported miracles that aren't in the Qur'an. And in this case, the credibility of these events is solely contingent upon the chain of narrators.
(April 18, 2022 at 4:56 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I think that a great many religious claims are true, despite all theistic claims being false.
Maybe we don't have the same definition of religious claims. But regardless I'm curious to know which ones you think are true and why. Regarding the Qur'an, I really think it's futile for someone who doesn't believe in God to try and speculate on its origins.
