Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: March 28, 2024, 5:58 am

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Perfection!
#89
RE: Perfection!
I, as an agnostic, believe that knowledge cannot be absolutely known... - as far as I know - and something either is or isn't true, either is or isn't "knowledge" whether it is believed or not. Not all belief is true and hence "knowledge" but all knowledge requires belief.

I see it as a belief by the common definition of belief - not specifically religious belief - just belief. Belief can be with or without evidence. It can be evidence based or faith based (which is simply the belief but with a lack of evidence - which insufficient evidence).

Quote:Christians aren't 'enlightened' just living out the belief and so can experience what is said to be true.

How does believing it make their belief any more valid? Isn't that kind of circular reasoning? Well surely it is - until there is actually a valid reason to it being the case. HOW does their belief help them understand better in anyway - can you evidence this? Or are you just going to answer with "it just does" - which is kind of circular isn't it? "It does because it does?".

Quote:You said (in another thread) that me telling you something was so was evidence enough for you to consider it valid evidence.

I was just using an example of taking directions, how someone's word can be evidence in some situations - if you go on the basis that what they are saying is more likely to not only be not lying - but also more likely to be true than not.

I do not apply it to all cases. But I was using an example of what you consider something to be a matter of "trusting" someone as in... faith-based - I consider evidence based.

If you have good reasons to trust someone then that's evidence that they're trustworthy - whether valid or invalid, it is evidence to you.

Whether you are telling the truth or not on this God matter... I certainly do not consider that at all evidence that God actually exists because that does not logically infer in anyway as far as I can tell (I think).

EvF
Reply



Messages In This Thread
Perfection! - by ib.me.ub - January 17, 2010 at 9:45 am
RE: Perfection! - by Dotard - January 17, 2010 at 11:39 am
RE: Perfection! - by ib.me.ub - January 17, 2010 at 11:53 am
RE: Perfection! - by Purple Rabbit - January 17, 2010 at 12:02 pm
RE: Perfection! - by ib.me.ub - January 17, 2010 at 12:09 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Dotard - January 17, 2010 at 1:15 pm
RE: Perfection! - by TruthWorthy - January 18, 2010 at 2:20 am
RE: Perfection! - by Zen Badger - January 18, 2010 at 6:39 am
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - January 18, 2010 at 7:41 am
RE: Perfection! - by LEDO - January 18, 2010 at 7:43 am
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - January 18, 2010 at 7:44 am
RE: Perfection! - by leo-rcc - January 18, 2010 at 8:30 am
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - January 18, 2010 at 8:39 am
RE: Perfection! - by fr0d0 - January 18, 2010 at 6:51 pm
RE: Perfection! - by KichigaiNeko - January 19, 2010 at 3:06 am
RE: Perfection! - by TruthWorthy - January 19, 2010 at 3:15 am
RE: Perfection! - by KichigaiNeko - January 19, 2010 at 3:17 am
RE: Perfection! - by TruthWorthy - January 19, 2010 at 3:24 am
RE: Perfection! - by ib.me.ub - January 19, 2010 at 4:35 am
RE: Perfection! - by KichigaiNeko - January 19, 2010 at 7:57 am
RE: Perfection! - by Purple Rabbit - January 19, 2010 at 2:22 pm
RE: Perfection! - by tackattack - January 22, 2010 at 11:43 pm
RE: Perfection! - by KichigaiNeko - January 22, 2010 at 11:46 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Purple Rabbit - January 23, 2010 at 5:44 am
RE: Perfection! - by fr0d0 - January 23, 2010 at 7:16 am
RE: Perfection! - by Purple Rabbit - January 23, 2010 at 9:34 am
RE: Perfection! - by tackattack - January 29, 2010 at 9:40 am
RE: Perfection! - by TruthWorthy - January 19, 2010 at 8:06 am
RE: Perfection! - by tackattack - January 22, 2010 at 2:32 pm
RE: Perfection! - by fr0d0 - January 22, 2010 at 8:10 pm
RE: Perfection! - by theVOID - January 22, 2010 at 8:14 pm
RE: Perfection! - by fr0d0 - January 22, 2010 at 9:31 pm
RE: Perfection! - by TruthWorthy - January 23, 2010 at 12:30 am
RE: Perfection! - by fr0d0 - January 23, 2010 at 5:26 am
RE: Perfection! - by Purple Rabbit - January 23, 2010 at 7:11 am
RE: Perfection! - by KichigaiNeko - January 23, 2010 at 10:46 am
RE: Perfection! - by TruthWorthy - January 23, 2010 at 5:38 am
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - January 23, 2010 at 6:00 am
RE: Perfection! - by Purple Rabbit - January 23, 2010 at 10:59 am
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - January 25, 2010 at 11:26 am
RE: Perfection! - by Purple Rabbit - February 6, 2010 at 12:50 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Purple Rabbit - January 23, 2010 at 12:16 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Rhizomorph13 - January 25, 2010 at 1:24 am
RE: Perfection! - by TruthWorthy - January 25, 2010 at 1:37 am
RE: Perfection! - by theVOID - January 25, 2010 at 1:50 am
RE: Perfection! - by TruthWorthy - January 25, 2010 at 7:09 pm
RE: Perfection! - by theVOID - January 25, 2010 at 7:31 pm
RE: Perfection! - by TruthWorthy - January 26, 2010 at 12:14 am
RE: Perfection! - by tackattack - January 26, 2010 at 9:23 am
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - January 26, 2010 at 9:25 am
RE: Perfection! - by TruthWorthy - January 26, 2010 at 9:45 am
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - January 26, 2010 at 9:51 am
RE: Perfection! - by TruthWorthy - January 26, 2010 at 9:54 am
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - January 26, 2010 at 9:58 am
RE: Perfection! - by TruthWorthy - January 26, 2010 at 10:09 am
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - January 26, 2010 at 10:19 am
RE: Perfection! - by TruthWorthy - January 26, 2010 at 6:21 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - January 27, 2010 at 7:30 am
RE: Perfection! - by TruthWorthy - January 27, 2010 at 8:22 am
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - February 6, 2010 at 12:54 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Purple Rabbit - February 6, 2010 at 1:22 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - February 6, 2010 at 1:26 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Purple Rabbit - February 6, 2010 at 3:12 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Welsh cake - February 6, 2010 at 6:25 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - February 7, 2010 at 1:44 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Purple Rabbit - February 7, 2010 at 2:28 pm
RE: Perfection! - by tackattack - February 7, 2010 at 9:42 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - February 9, 2010 at 7:50 am
RE: Perfection! - by Purple Rabbit - February 9, 2010 at 4:13 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - February 10, 2010 at 6:06 am
RE: Perfection! - by Purple Rabbit - February 10, 2010 at 4:29 pm
RE: Perfection! - by fr0d0 - February 10, 2010 at 6:27 am
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - February 10, 2010 at 9:43 am
RE: Perfection! - by tackattack - February 10, 2010 at 7:37 am
RE: Perfection! - by fr0d0 - February 10, 2010 at 9:57 am
RE: Perfection! - by TruthWorthy - February 10, 2010 at 10:06 am
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - February 10, 2010 at 10:07 am
RE: Perfection! - by fr0d0 - February 10, 2010 at 10:31 am
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - February 10, 2010 at 10:39 am
RE: Perfection! - by fr0d0 - February 10, 2010 at 10:54 am
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - February 10, 2010 at 11:34 am
RE: Perfection! - by TruthWorthy - February 10, 2010 at 11:00 am
RE: Perfection! - by fr0d0 - February 10, 2010 at 11:55 am
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - February 10, 2010 at 12:06 pm
RE: Perfection! - by fr0d0 - February 10, 2010 at 12:25 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - February 10, 2010 at 12:57 pm
RE: Perfection! - by fr0d0 - February 10, 2010 at 1:18 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - February 10, 2010 at 1:42 pm
RE: Perfection! - by fr0d0 - February 10, 2010 at 2:38 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - February 10, 2010 at 2:45 pm
RE: Perfection! - by fr0d0 - February 10, 2010 at 3:27 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - February 11, 2010 at 11:18 am
RE: Perfection! - by fr0d0 - February 12, 2010 at 1:34 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Purple Rabbit - February 12, 2010 at 3:45 pm
RE: Perfection! - by tackattack - February 11, 2010 at 5:28 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Purple Rabbit - February 11, 2010 at 6:11 pm
RE: Perfection! - by fr0d0 - February 11, 2010 at 7:38 pm
RE: Perfection! - by TruthWorthy - February 11, 2010 at 9:27 pm
RE: Perfection! - by tackattack - February 11, 2010 at 10:10 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Purple Rabbit - February 12, 2010 at 11:24 am
RE: Perfection! - by tackattack - February 12, 2010 at 2:05 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Purple Rabbit - February 12, 2010 at 4:03 pm
RE: Perfection! - by fr0d0 - February 12, 2010 at 5:14 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Purple Rabbit - February 13, 2010 at 5:18 am
RE: Perfection! - by tackattack - February 13, 2010 at 3:19 am
RE: Perfection! - by TruthWorthy - February 11, 2010 at 10:34 pm
RE: Perfection! - by fr0d0 - February 12, 2010 at 4:01 pm
RE: Perfection! - by TruthWorthy - February 12, 2010 at 5:19 pm
RE: Perfection! - by tackattack - February 13, 2010 at 5:56 am
RE: Perfection! - by Purple Rabbit - February 13, 2010 at 8:00 am
RE: Perfection! - by tackattack - February 13, 2010 at 9:06 am
RE: Perfection! - by Purple Rabbit - February 13, 2010 at 10:53 am
RE: Perfection! - by tackattack - February 13, 2010 at 7:46 pm
RE: Perfection! - by A Theist - February 26, 2010 at 7:04 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Violet - February 27, 2010 at 6:58 am
RE: Perfection! - by A Theist - February 27, 2010 at 9:58 am

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Does perfection in reality never contain any flaws ? The Wise Joker 55 9276 February 7, 2017 at 8:56 am
Last Post: Sal



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)