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Perfection!
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RE: Perfection!
(February 10, 2010 at 3:27 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: If you saw someone come up to you and slap you in the face... you wouldn't say "I believe that person just slapped me in the face" BECAUSE that would be saying that you weren't sure. No, you'd say "I know that person just slapped me in the face". Get off your absolutes bandwagon - it doesn't apply here.

It does apply actually. I was using "knowledge" in the technical philosophical sense of course. If we are to use it in the colloquial usage like you seem to be alluding then that's way too vague - it's confusing with belief. You mean it like subjective "knowlege" as in, someone is really really sure or absolutely certain they "Know" - but that doesn't mean they really know anything because what they think they know could easily be absolute bullshit.

Quote:If you think, having never driven a car, what driving a car is like, it isn't the same as actually driving a car. People can tell you what it's like, and you can be prepared given that information.
Indeed.

Quote:Same with actually believing in God and trying to think what believing in God might be like. I can tell you how great and wonderful it is, and how everything suddenly makes sense, but you can't actually know that until you believe yourself.

How is this the same at all? Driving a car is part of the natural world than is demonsratable, naturally - and how the car works is understood by science. You wouldn't doubt all evidence like that....

God however... you've got your own personal experience to go by but he is unverifiable to others, unknowable, outside science - why don't you doubt your experience? Why don't you think that you could easily be delusional because personal experience is insufficient evidence in science let alone The Supernatural.

Why is personal experience itself evidence to you? It doesn't matter what the experiences are - why is ANY experience evidence? Surely it is completely insufficient? Tongue

That is unverifiable is a sign of weakness, not strength, is it not? And the fact that something Supernatural requires more evidence, not less, is another sign of weakness, is it not?

So false analogy I say. Riding a car is something natural that can be demonstrated and tested by science, it is verifiable. An unverifiable, personal, experience - For God's existence... is a different matter. Because it doesn't matter what the experience is - the evidence needs to be stronger than that does it not?

EvF
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Perfection! - by ib.me.ub - January 17, 2010 at 9:45 am
RE: Perfection! - by Dotard - January 17, 2010 at 11:39 am
RE: Perfection! - by ib.me.ub - January 17, 2010 at 11:53 am
RE: Perfection! - by Purple Rabbit - January 17, 2010 at 12:02 pm
RE: Perfection! - by ib.me.ub - January 17, 2010 at 12:09 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Dotard - January 17, 2010 at 1:15 pm
RE: Perfection! - by TruthWorthy - January 18, 2010 at 2:20 am
RE: Perfection! - by Zen Badger - January 18, 2010 at 6:39 am
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - January 18, 2010 at 7:41 am
RE: Perfection! - by LEDO - January 18, 2010 at 7:43 am
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - January 18, 2010 at 7:44 am
RE: Perfection! - by leo-rcc - January 18, 2010 at 8:30 am
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - January 18, 2010 at 8:39 am
RE: Perfection! - by fr0d0 - January 18, 2010 at 6:51 pm
RE: Perfection! - by KichigaiNeko - January 19, 2010 at 3:06 am
RE: Perfection! - by TruthWorthy - January 19, 2010 at 3:15 am
RE: Perfection! - by KichigaiNeko - January 19, 2010 at 3:17 am
RE: Perfection! - by TruthWorthy - January 19, 2010 at 3:24 am
RE: Perfection! - by ib.me.ub - January 19, 2010 at 4:35 am
RE: Perfection! - by KichigaiNeko - January 19, 2010 at 7:57 am
RE: Perfection! - by Purple Rabbit - January 19, 2010 at 2:22 pm
RE: Perfection! - by tackattack - January 22, 2010 at 11:43 pm
RE: Perfection! - by KichigaiNeko - January 22, 2010 at 11:46 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Purple Rabbit - January 23, 2010 at 5:44 am
RE: Perfection! - by fr0d0 - January 23, 2010 at 7:16 am
RE: Perfection! - by Purple Rabbit - January 23, 2010 at 9:34 am
RE: Perfection! - by tackattack - January 29, 2010 at 9:40 am
RE: Perfection! - by TruthWorthy - January 19, 2010 at 8:06 am
RE: Perfection! - by tackattack - January 22, 2010 at 2:32 pm
RE: Perfection! - by fr0d0 - January 22, 2010 at 8:10 pm
RE: Perfection! - by theVOID - January 22, 2010 at 8:14 pm
RE: Perfection! - by fr0d0 - January 22, 2010 at 9:31 pm
RE: Perfection! - by TruthWorthy - January 23, 2010 at 12:30 am
RE: Perfection! - by fr0d0 - January 23, 2010 at 5:26 am
RE: Perfection! - by Purple Rabbit - January 23, 2010 at 7:11 am
RE: Perfection! - by KichigaiNeko - January 23, 2010 at 10:46 am
RE: Perfection! - by TruthWorthy - January 23, 2010 at 5:38 am
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - January 23, 2010 at 6:00 am
RE: Perfection! - by Purple Rabbit - January 23, 2010 at 10:59 am
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - January 25, 2010 at 11:26 am
RE: Perfection! - by Purple Rabbit - February 6, 2010 at 12:50 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Purple Rabbit - January 23, 2010 at 12:16 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Rhizomorph13 - January 25, 2010 at 1:24 am
RE: Perfection! - by TruthWorthy - January 25, 2010 at 1:37 am
RE: Perfection! - by theVOID - January 25, 2010 at 1:50 am
RE: Perfection! - by TruthWorthy - January 25, 2010 at 7:09 pm
RE: Perfection! - by theVOID - January 25, 2010 at 7:31 pm
RE: Perfection! - by TruthWorthy - January 26, 2010 at 12:14 am
RE: Perfection! - by tackattack - January 26, 2010 at 9:23 am
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - January 26, 2010 at 9:25 am
RE: Perfection! - by TruthWorthy - January 26, 2010 at 9:45 am
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - January 26, 2010 at 9:51 am
RE: Perfection! - by TruthWorthy - January 26, 2010 at 9:54 am
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - January 26, 2010 at 9:58 am
RE: Perfection! - by TruthWorthy - January 26, 2010 at 10:09 am
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - January 26, 2010 at 10:19 am
RE: Perfection! - by TruthWorthy - January 26, 2010 at 6:21 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - January 27, 2010 at 7:30 am
RE: Perfection! - by TruthWorthy - January 27, 2010 at 8:22 am
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - February 6, 2010 at 12:54 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Purple Rabbit - February 6, 2010 at 1:22 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - February 6, 2010 at 1:26 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Purple Rabbit - February 6, 2010 at 3:12 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Welsh cake - February 6, 2010 at 6:25 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - February 7, 2010 at 1:44 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Purple Rabbit - February 7, 2010 at 2:28 pm
RE: Perfection! - by tackattack - February 7, 2010 at 9:42 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - February 9, 2010 at 7:50 am
RE: Perfection! - by Purple Rabbit - February 9, 2010 at 4:13 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - February 10, 2010 at 6:06 am
RE: Perfection! - by Purple Rabbit - February 10, 2010 at 4:29 pm
RE: Perfection! - by fr0d0 - February 10, 2010 at 6:27 am
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - February 10, 2010 at 9:43 am
RE: Perfection! - by tackattack - February 10, 2010 at 7:37 am
RE: Perfection! - by fr0d0 - February 10, 2010 at 9:57 am
RE: Perfection! - by TruthWorthy - February 10, 2010 at 10:06 am
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - February 10, 2010 at 10:07 am
RE: Perfection! - by fr0d0 - February 10, 2010 at 10:31 am
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - February 10, 2010 at 10:39 am
RE: Perfection! - by fr0d0 - February 10, 2010 at 10:54 am
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - February 10, 2010 at 11:34 am
RE: Perfection! - by TruthWorthy - February 10, 2010 at 11:00 am
RE: Perfection! - by fr0d0 - February 10, 2010 at 11:55 am
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - February 10, 2010 at 12:06 pm
RE: Perfection! - by fr0d0 - February 10, 2010 at 12:25 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - February 10, 2010 at 12:57 pm
RE: Perfection! - by fr0d0 - February 10, 2010 at 1:18 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - February 10, 2010 at 1:42 pm
RE: Perfection! - by fr0d0 - February 10, 2010 at 2:38 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - February 10, 2010 at 2:45 pm
RE: Perfection! - by fr0d0 - February 10, 2010 at 3:27 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Edwardo Piet - February 11, 2010 at 11:18 am
RE: Perfection! - by fr0d0 - February 12, 2010 at 1:34 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Purple Rabbit - February 12, 2010 at 3:45 pm
RE: Perfection! - by tackattack - February 11, 2010 at 5:28 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Purple Rabbit - February 11, 2010 at 6:11 pm
RE: Perfection! - by fr0d0 - February 11, 2010 at 7:38 pm
RE: Perfection! - by TruthWorthy - February 11, 2010 at 9:27 pm
RE: Perfection! - by tackattack - February 11, 2010 at 10:10 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Purple Rabbit - February 12, 2010 at 11:24 am
RE: Perfection! - by tackattack - February 12, 2010 at 2:05 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Purple Rabbit - February 12, 2010 at 4:03 pm
RE: Perfection! - by fr0d0 - February 12, 2010 at 5:14 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Purple Rabbit - February 13, 2010 at 5:18 am
RE: Perfection! - by tackattack - February 13, 2010 at 3:19 am
RE: Perfection! - by TruthWorthy - February 11, 2010 at 10:34 pm
RE: Perfection! - by fr0d0 - February 12, 2010 at 4:01 pm
RE: Perfection! - by TruthWorthy - February 12, 2010 at 5:19 pm
RE: Perfection! - by tackattack - February 13, 2010 at 5:56 am
RE: Perfection! - by Purple Rabbit - February 13, 2010 at 8:00 am
RE: Perfection! - by tackattack - February 13, 2010 at 9:06 am
RE: Perfection! - by Purple Rabbit - February 13, 2010 at 10:53 am
RE: Perfection! - by tackattack - February 13, 2010 at 7:46 pm
RE: Perfection! - by A Theist - February 26, 2010 at 7:04 pm
RE: Perfection! - by Violet - February 27, 2010 at 6:58 am
RE: Perfection! - by A Theist - February 27, 2010 at 9:58 am

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