(April 2, 2015 at 3:52 pm)Minimalist Wrote:(April 2, 2015 at 2:49 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Um no, time to deport that indivudual fucker. I agree religion is poison, but that is an idea, humans still have rights and in the civil west we don't automatically get to deport everyone just because. In the west secular law is supposed to presume innocence and protect diversity.
Rights are still given in a pluralistic society. Claims by themselves do not deserve blind value.
I disagree. From the article:
The father and the "husband" should spend the rest of their lives in jail. The "sheikh" should be deported. And Australia should be more careful who it allows in. Are you really suggesting that there is a human "right" to move to another country and act like a total cunt? Where is such a law written?
No where are you getting that from? In the west we have a presumption of innocence and not even expressing the idea of a crime depending can be viewed as an actual crime.
For example I can say "I hate Islam" or "15 year olds should be allowed to drink" and even with music in the west we have had lots of songs that sing about underage sex. "Go Away little girl" ABBA "Does your mother know". None of those communications are actual crimes.
It cant simply be something vile you don't personally like. Crime is when you go beyond merely saying something and actually call for the crime to be committed or actually do it yourself. Ok, so if this individual you speak of did advocate a crime, fine deport that individual. But in the west we do not get to presume guilt before someone has actually done something, so if you are advocating throwing all Muslims out of your country because of what this guy did that is inhumane. Again, to me that would be assuming the guilt of every Latino because some might belong to a gang.
So again I ask, if your solution is a blanket one, get rid of everyone belonging to Islam, why stop of simply kicking them out because you know even from there they will still want to attack us, which they do. So the other option is a world war which would fuck your life up. And outside that pull a Hitler and kill them off like Jews.
Now I know you don't want to do that at all, so the only realistic thing is to treat humans as individuals first, welcome the individuals that do not commit crimes and only kick out the ones who do commit crimes.