RE: Discussion, not Provocation
November 1, 2017 at 5:28 pm
(This post was last modified: November 1, 2017 at 5:52 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
(November 1, 2017 at 4:45 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: I would also like to point out that it is impossible to have a discussion without generalizing. There is nothing wrong with making the generalization that "men are taller than women." People should be smart enough to recognize that a generalization is by its very nature an expression of normative properties. People who need all manner of qualifications like "some" and "most" and "many" aren't being reasonable. If I say that political progressives are left-wing, I suppose that could mean that some progressive some where is a right-winger, but no one would call that normative. So it doesn't make sense to call it false equivocation. If someone makes an thread or post about "Christians" it isn't hard to figure out if they are thinking about Evangelicals, Roman Catholics, or Presbyterians. I don't need anyone to qualify their generalizations. But heaven forbid anyone make a generalization about atheists suggesting that they are by and large naturalists or moral relativists even though those are clearly normative traits.
Translation: You are guilty for making threads that are clearly provocative bullshit with a biased political agenda and you want the truisms you stated about generalization in this post here to excuse your making clearly provocative bullshit threads with a biased political agenda.
(November 1, 2017 at 12:24 pm)Tiberius Wrote:(November 1, 2017 at 12:15 pm)pocaracas Wrote: There go all the threads made by religious folk!!
Obviously we aren't trying to be the arbiters of truth here, but it stands to reason that if someone calls a square a circle, they don't have any intentions of having a serious discussion.
Goodbye Little Rik!
(November 1, 2017 at 3:51 pm)Losty Wrote:(November 1, 2017 at 3:44 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: I did it for a purpose and have made my point. My only hope is that people will recognize the blatant hypocrisy. We shall see.
Blatant hypocrisy by whom? That's what I want to know. I've seen you an CL making accusations of hypocrisy but it seems like apart from a small group everyone is fed up with this from both sides. Religious or atheist, liberal or conservative, I know for me at least I'm tired of seeing the forum be nothing but trolling and flaming. We used to have real discussions and a much friendlier atmosphere and I'm ready to see that again.
Me too! I even found myself becoming something I'm not here on AF (an aggressive side I don't normally have to me). I think this rule will do wonders to improve the atmosphere provided that people hit the report button when they see the troll threads.
(November 1, 2017 at 4:12 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: To be honest, one of the main reasons I have given up on discussing religious-related topics productively is due to the fact that as soon as I come in swinging with my strong atheist logic, the other person stops responding to me. The discussion cannot continue if I'm ignored.
You'll never get that problem with me. It's a pity I'm not a theist!
(November 1, 2017 at 4:14 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:(November 1, 2017 at 3:51 pm)Losty Wrote: Blatant hypocrisy by whom? That's what I want to know. I've seen you an CL making accusations of hypocrisy but it seems like apart from a small group everyone is fed up with this from both sides. Religious or atheist, liberal or conservative, I know for me at least I'm tired of seeing the forum be nothing but trolling and flaming. We used to have real discussions and a much friendlier atmosphere and I'm ready to see that again.
Me too. I'm glad for the new rule. It stopped being fun after Trump. But I would invite you to look at who is flaming and trolling instead of encouraging debate and discussion. We social conservatives would like to be able to have a conversation without being accused at every turn by false charges. Here is how it really plays out:
The unborn are human beings? Misogynist.
Gender Dysphoria is a medical issue? Bigot.
Religious artists shouldn't be compelled to create? Homophobe.
Personal choices and culture play a part in individual success? Racist.
Immigration laws should be enforced? xenophobe
Trump Supporter? White supremacist. KKK, etc.
Maybe if more of these so-called moderates who say they want civil discussions wouldn't stay silent and defend their fellow forum members while these sorts of accusations are flying our way, we would be a little less bitter.
Well when you make provocative threads because you're bitter about something and then end up doing the same thing you criticize others for: then that's what makes you a hypocrite.
