RE: Why does science always upstage God?
December 24, 2017 at 2:26 pm
(This post was last modified: December 24, 2017 at 2:35 pm by Whateverist.)
(December 23, 2017 at 11:39 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:(December 23, 2017 at 9:53 pm)Whateverist Wrote: To say abiogenesis is "how life began" doesn't really provide an explanation of how life began. It merely asserts our confidence that the answer will turn out to be natural, no magic required.
To say 'god' created life says even less. As with abiogenesis, it provides no clue as to how this god thing created life. But it asserts that you expect the answer to involve a kind of magic that takes any possibility of an explanation permanently off the table. It asserts your contentment with never understanding how life began.
So basically you choose to accept abiogenesis even though there's no evidence of it, simply because it falls in line with your ideology...
Aren't you doing the same thing you accuse theists of doing?
You could say that but expecting natural explanations just is superior to accepting magical ones. Natural explanations relate less understood phenomena to better understood ones. Naming magic as an explanation is essential saying no explanation is possible.
For example, why does the tide rise and fall predictably?
Me: Gravitational changes caused by the fluctuating nearness of the sun and moon.
You: Magic.
Or why does the sun come up in the morning?
Me: The result of our perspective on a spinning globe which circles the sun.
You: God's will.
And Rik's favorite, what accounts for the experiences people report when their hearts stop briefly?
Me: Probably a change in mental processing caused by oxygen deprivation but more information is needed.
You: People actually die and wake up in heaven before some fairy tells them to get back in their body.
(December 23, 2017 at 11:39 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: So basically you choose to accept abiogenesis even though there's no evidence of it, simply because it falls in line with your ideology...
No, I choose to look for natural causes because those are the only kind that have ever been found. If being resolved to live in the real world can be called an ideology, then yes.