Why does science always upstage God?

[Haipule]

I have no reason to doubt you have the history right (nor am I possessed of enough fucks one way or another to check for myself).  But I still think there is room for self-identified Catholics and even the institution as a whole to make their way to an allegorical understanding of the resurrection and everything else.  In the end, those who remain religious as well as well educated, open and reflective will realize that all of it is allegorical.  I'm sure there are Catholic clergy now who hold their faith in that way.  They just have no scruples about talking down to those who need to hear them in literal fairy tales .

Of course some catholics -do- make their way to such an understanding, but not on account of any room for it in catholicism's own official doctrine.  They insist that the cracker and wine are really transformed by muttered verse.  

They could always schism...again, I suppose.

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I am a literalist because allegory is asinine! That started in the church by a clown named Origen. It leads to opinions and never ending more opinions and not understanding.

No, it didn't.  Origen is part of the later second century ruckus, not the originator of allegorical interpretations within or without any christian "church".  The rabbinic tradition had already established two seperate allegorical schools of thought which predated any silly christianism (by centuries) - and it was one of the schools, particularly, that influenced that later "christian jews" and earlier jewy jews who believed in jesus as an archangel.  

The alexandrian school is strongly represented in early christianity (the tradition from which Origen would ultimately arise, no less..as well as Clement, Eusebius, and Augustine of Hippo.   It even brought us the ontological argument).

The palestinian is more well represented in islam (amusingly enough).

Both persist in current rabbinic traditions to this very day in their own right. Ask a rabbi how much allegory there is in the OT, it is their book, after all.  Meanwhile, the same was certainly true of the earliest forms of christianity and the NT, by the continuing presence of alexandrian scholarship and Origens training therein (the whole reason he was ever anybody)...from which he drew his own personal theology even as he converted others to an emerging and increasingly literal orthodoxy.

He detested literal interpretations because they were as ignorant then as they are now, something which had been known for a long time already.  -and yet here we are, 2018..literal nutters talking about how allegory is assanine leading only to opinion and no understanding.  Well, if that's the case, it's time to give up jesus and christ and christianity altogether.  It was not intended to be and it has never been anything more than allegory in the first place.

I am not part of any of that! Not Clement, not Eusebius and most certainly not a part of that Hippo(horse) clown! Augustinianism is lamer than lame! Even the Eastern Orthodox agrees even though he was from the Eastern Church, whom he also spoke Latin, whom tried to amend the "Great Schism", the Eastern Orthodox call him a clown and I am not Eastern Orthodox Catholic or any other type of Catholic and I am not a Protestant or "Undenominational". I am a pre-denominationalist only and reject every theology since the NT bible was written! And every goofy Pharisaical religious idea preceding the writing of the Newer Covenants!

Augustine had his head so far up his own ass he didn't even smell it! As far as the earliest church so called "fathers", whom were a bunch of anti-Semitic's, why on earth would I listen to them?

I don't care how far back the idiocy of allegory goes, I only went as far back as Origen. The Jews introduced the stupidest idea in the English language which is "spirit"! Really, is God a "Spirit"(don't quote that misunderstood, badly translated verse please) or, is God somehow, "spiritual"? Spirit from the Latin word spiritus which merely means: breath. Do you have any idea how desperately bad you would have to manipulate Scripture to come to any such conclusion of "spirit", "spirituality" or, "Trinity"?

God is preternatural and not, supernatural! He is a part of all that nature is which He established, NOT BEYOND IT! The Antioch school and the Alexandrian school often argued points especially Nestorius head of the Antioch seminary whom was anti-Roman Church and forced to flee for his life.

It was NEVER indented to be allegorical endless opinion. Just accept and we'll fill in the blanks later. The problem with the church is, they tried to fill in the blanks then without any understanding of what you know now! See the problem?

Why on earth would anyone defend a man invented scripture and man invented church and at the same time be atheist? What, is it more fun that way? You know, attacking from both ends? Your talking to me, NOT whatever you invent the church to be! I know what the Greek NT says and doesn't say. I am the ekklEsia, the called-out of God. Not a hierarchal money grubber with an agenda of trolling!

Before you say it, "So your right and everyone else is wrong?" That's everyone else's problem, not mine! I only wish I knew why me, why now! I do not question the fact that I DO exist right here, right now! Nor the fact that I am called to be magnificent! Cut me some slack, I'm on uncharted territory!