Why does science always upstage God?

[ayost]

I can believe, wholeheartedly, that you tried..but you might just hold a fundamentally condescending belief, in that one, don't you think?

Having already determined that you feel compelled to reject anything that anyone else tells you about what they do or don't believe which conflicts with your own beliefs - perhaps it would be more fruitful for you to describe why you feel compelled to reject as much, since that's your belief..and your beliefs about your beliefs somehow escape such criticism. Why would it be a problem, for you, if the claim were not true. If I..in short...exist?

So can I tell you that condescending is not my goal, rather it's the opposite. I actually came to tell you that you sent me thinking for two weeks and I returned, having settled on my original position. And then I wanted to explain why.

If we are being honest, though, we all frequently doubt what people say about their own lives and experience. don't we? We skeptically listen to what people say about themselves. That's not odd, I don't think. I could argue there's an entire counseling profession monetizing that very thing. The reason is I don't believe the first thing people tell me about themselves is because I know I lie about myself. Frequently my lies about myself are challenged to me by people or the Bible and then I'm like "Dang it, God, you're right" and I try to change. So I value that challenge in my life. One recent example of a lie the Bible challenged me on (because of our conversation) was why am I seeking out atheists to talk to them? To glorify God by sharing about Him? Or to glorify myself by winning an argument. Honestly, it was the second answer. I came to win arguments. And it back fired and I was sent packing with my tail between my legs. I was wrong and immature and sent the train off the cliff in a fiery blaze because I started by lobbing grenades at you, essentially calling you a liar (about yourself). I apologize, that was wrong. Lesson learned.



Suppression of truth is important to me because the suppression is fundamental to the worldview. It's the foundation that any belief the suppressor has is built on. I feel like, or was feeling like, until we address that we won't get anywhere. I was also wrong about that, haha. I get that you reject that and for that reason I will respectfully table that idea in our conversation.

Now, in an honest-I-want-to-understand-what-you're-saying way, I'd like to ask you to explain this:

Why would it be a problem, for you, if the claim were not true. If I..in short...exist?

(I haven't learned the quote thing you do)


Unrelated, but just to let you know:

Frequently you ask me to defend something, and I don't, and then I take criticism from you for not defending that thing. This is why: to me you are kind of all over the place.

Suppression:
I can only condescendingly reject the notion that you believe magic book before you believe what people say about themselves.
 
you couldn't...and now..haven't, managed to defend your ridiculous and disingenuous assertion about suppression.
 
I'd think, well shit, look at that, and then continue along with my day and my life exactly as before.
you couldn't...and now..haven't, managed to defend your ridiculous and disingenuous assertion about suppression.
 
Whether or not the Bible is true:
you're tying that belief and that gods existence to a demonstrably false claim in a magic book. Do you think that's wise? Is that the behavior of a person who respects or values the god, or god belief?
 
Internal critiques:
Will it be me telling you what my worldview is, and you telling me I just can't believe whatever I told you?
 
Why would you think I'd have a hard time comparing one mythology to another in the public sphere? 
 
What the Bible says:
Magic book says a lot about that group of people, much of it directly at odds with the notion that you're flogging now
 
Basically everything you said in your FWIW.
 
I can’t respond to all of this, it's too much. Also you issue unsupported (in this conversation) demonstrably false statements like “magic book is demonstrably false”. Each one of these is its own hours of conversation. So you overwhelm me with questions and I have to pick the one I want to respond to. It's not because I can't respond, I'm just picking where to take the conversation.

We don't have to talk about that, that's just me telling you what I'm experiencing, just to give you context about me so you understand where I'm coming from.