RE: Why does science always upstage God?
October 7, 2021 at 3:14 pm
(This post was last modified: October 7, 2021 at 3:20 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(October 7, 2021 at 2:56 pm)ayost Wrote: I said I would table the idea of suppression because you reject it. Do you want it tabled or do you want to explore it?Not..to me.
As far as a world in which God exists and the Bible isn't true I want to note that there's somewhat of a nuance in the way you asked your question. I am not arguing for god. I am arguing for the triune God of the Bible. That's important.
Quote:You can make any claim you want about what another god would do in whatever circumstance. I'm not arguing from a particular source for a particular God. This isn't from the dome.Seems like at least one claim might be?
Assuming the God of the Bible exists I would say no, there is no world in which the God of the Bible exists and the Bible (or any of it's claims) are false.
Here's why...
Quote:When we talk about God (in the Bible) He is perfect and His ways are perfect. So when he chooses to act, He acts perfectly. That means that, whether we like it or not, the world we live in reflects perfectly what God intended it to. When I say perfectly I mean precisely, exactly what God wanted. I don't mean perfect as in no evil. He didn't create the best available option. He created precisely what He wanted. So in that context, another creation with different outcomes or events or standards or truths would then have to either be more perfect or less perfect than this creation.Here again, it seems like it would be possible for a book about a god to make an errant claim that doesn't imperil the existence of the god described. You can insist otherwise, but you'll have repeated the same error as before. Attaching a god claim to something trivial, and trivially easy to demonstrate.
If He could create a more perfect creation that means God created not exactly what He wanted in this creation.
If He created a less prefect creation that would mean God is settling for something that's not exactly what He wanted. I already established that the God of the Bible is prefect and acts perfectly, so to act imperfectly would be for Him to act against His own nature, which makes no sense.
So no, there is no world where the God of the Bible exists and the Bible isn't true. What we have here, in this creation, is the only way.
So, if you make a claim that is contrary to the Bible, either your claim is false or the Bible's claim is false.
Because we do live in a world where magic book makes demonstrably false claims..and if a world like that can't also have an existent god in it, your god.. then this one doesn't. QED.
I could give you the same advice I give muslims. At some point, you have to decide whether you have faith in a god or an idol. The creator of the universe, or a magical book. If the magical book, or belief in that magical book.... is damaging to the god beliefs, idk..you'd think a person concerned about gods would jettison them?
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