RE: Why does science always upstage God?
October 7, 2021 at 5:41 pm
(This post was last modified: October 7, 2021 at 5:50 pm by ayost.)
(October 7, 2021 at 4:50 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: If God opened the clouds, revealed himself to everybody, healed the lame and sick the world over, and said "That particular Bible verse is an error,"...
...some Christians would be like, "That can't be God!"
There are good practices and bad practices in Christianity, but holding your standard of truth to a document produced by historical accident has got to be one of the worst.
Well, I can't comment on hypothetical Christians in a hypothetical scenario but I can comment on holding my standard of truth to the Bible.
I'm not sure what you mean by historical accident, do you have something specific you're thinking of?
Also, you didn't ask me why I believe the Bible is the inerrant word of God. Aren't you curious if my reasons are grounded in something sound?
(October 7, 2021 at 5:37 pm)Soberman921 Wrote: I've used a standard definition of perfection. If you're trying to smuggle in some secret special meaning of the word that doesn't align with the way it is used in common English and can be endlessly malleable based on whatever argument you are defending, you aren't engaging in a good faith discussion. And you certainly can't justifiably accuse me of attacking a strawman by assuming you are applying the English meaning of the word.
I just want to point out one thing and then I will respond to the rest later. I have to go for the evening. You accuse me of smuggling in a secret definition and not using the plain English definition of the word.
The plain English definition of perfect from Google’s dictionary:
having all the required or desirable elements, qualities, or characteristics; as good as it is possible to be.
I agree with this definition.
Your definition:
A perfect being is a complete being. It wants nothing. It needs nothing. It has no desires because to desire something entails missing something that would make it better, and it cannot be better. A perfect being wouldn't need to act because the only reason to act is to accomplish a goal but the perfect being can have no goals. A perfect being is perfectly fulfilled.
I don't agree with this definition.
Now let me ask you, who smuggled in their own definition of the word perfect?