Why does science always upstage God?

[ayost]

I appreciate all of the work you put into that post, but we are going in circles citing authors that support our side. I know what these secular scholars say. I also know I could teach someone about the death of Christ as a propitiatory sacrifice from any one of the Gospels. But besides that I'm also OK with theology developing. Not in the sense that new beliefs developed that didn't originate with Jesus, but in the sense that the pinpoint language used to describe them grew, for example the trinity. And that's what Paul does, he develops the words used to express the theology that was taught by Jesus and the OT.

I have read these arguments and I don't find them compelling. You're not giving me anything new that I haven't already sifted through. And that's not a criticism of you by any means, just that we aren't going anywhere or adding anything new. Same evidence, different understanding of that evidence. I'm not trying to be rude, I've just already gone through this.

Are you under the impression that humanity requires the divine in order to accept the immaterial mind that emerges from the material brain?

I know you will accept the immaterial mind that emerges from the material brain, you just won't be able to justify that belief.

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Never occurred to you that you don't know what my worldview is, did it?  OFC not..because you came here thinking that there was some "atheist worldview" to argue against in the first place.  

Meanwhile, I'm still wondering if you believe the things you say.  Are you certain that outside of christ life is a moral black hole?  Hope you never stop believing, for fear of what you might do...I guess?  I've always maintained that religious extremism isn't overly zealous piety, but a crisis of faith.  That people don't look to establish gods kindgom themselves unless they're tired of waiting for the big man to fix it, concerned that he might never get around to doing as much in their lifetimes.

I asked you in a previous post if you believed in evolution and you said yes.

Also the oldest atheist trick in the book is to stay worldview fluid so you can't be pinned down to believing anything because as soon as you do I will dismantle it.

I believe that you have an innate, if inadequate, understanding of a general idea of good because you're made in the image of God and He wrote that knowledge on your heart. Whether you like it or not you live in God's world according to God's rules. I do also believe that humans are bad and left to their own devices will stoop to the very bottom.

God's Kingdom is already here, my friend, and Jesus reigns at the right hand of God until He makes all of His enemies His footstool.