Why does science always upstage God?

[LadyForCamus]

Would you go around murdering just because you don't believe in God?  Given that most people don't believe in Jesus, how it is possible that most people don't go around murdering, and every society has rules against it?  Is a god the only possible explanation?

Sure, a society could choose to see the movie "The Purge" as a holy inspiration, and decide that Purges are moral imperatives.  However, the suffering is real, and those with empathy would fight against it.  It doesn't take a belief in God to realize that its a screwed up idea.  In fact, it is a belief in God (or a belief in other extreme ideologies) that allows many to ignore things like empathy and the suffering of others, and do what most of us would consider "evil".

Where do morals come from?  Our common humanity and empathy, and our ability to understand how principles affect future happiness or suffering.  Yes, people disagree on the principles of that last point.  Some thing that dancing is wrong because will arouse unstoppable lecherous desires, while some think that being free with sexuality leads to a happier life.  Different principles, but both ideally have a the aim to reduce suffering and maximize happiness.

You’re being way to flippant and not truly looking at the depth of the world’s depravity. Obviously, there’s the atrocities in China and North Korea. There’s genital mutilation in the Middle East. Cannibals in India. Sex trafficking in America. Slavery in Africa. There’s a tribe in Papua New Guinea where boys are required to perform oral sex on the elders until the boys are old enough ejaculate. Trust me, the world is not full of people who all agree on what’s right and what’s wrong. That’s not true in any sense.

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So, which Christians get to decide what the correct interpretation of the infallible moral word is, and how can we tell if their interpretation is right? Should we be putting gay men to death?

I already granted that there’s not God to start this conversation so that we could fully explore the inconsistency in the atheist moral worldview.

And my point is that even if I grant you that there are ‘inconsistencies’ with secular morality, its a moot point, because your system is equally problematic for the exact same reasons. So, what exactly is the point you’re trying to make?