(October 12, 2021 at 5:36 am)pocaracas Wrote:(October 11, 2021 at 7:07 pm)ayost Wrote: So an we all see how your morality is completely subjective. There’s so many unknowns and variables and there’s no way to know what provides the most suffering or the least suffering. You’re literally just making it up as you go. This is the opposite of an objective morality. It’s a mish mash of whatever feels right at the time. Which is fine, I just need you to be consistent and commit all the way. In a world where morality is subjective you have no right to complain about anything that anybody does in your worldview. You will complain and you do know right from wrong, but again, I maintain that’s because God has created you in his image and written His law on your heart.
If you want to win the argument just say yes, killing foster kids reduces suffering. At least then you’d be consistent with your own worldview and there’s nothing I could say to it.
Clearly, morality is subjective to the society.
What religious people seem to always forget is that humanity is a social species. It's like you guys can only think in terms of either the individual or the whole of mankind. No middle ground.
What is moral for a particular society can very well not be moral for another society. And that is fine.
This has the curious side effect that, from the point of view of an individual within any society, the societal morality has the appearance of being objective.
Morality is something that changes with the needs of the people and comes with compassion - like the abolition of slavery. Morality should be democratic.
While when it comes to Christianity, morality is supposed to be unchanged from what some men wrote thousands of years ago in the Bible and claimed to have heard it from God. Which clearly does not work.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"