RE: Stephen Hawking has died at the age of 76.
April 26, 2018 at 5:24 am
(This post was last modified: April 26, 2018 at 8:35 am by Edwardo Piet.)
(April 25, 2018 at 9:06 am)alpha male Wrote: This is one of several statements that clearly imply that evidence as you see it is necessarily conclusive. Do you want me to quote more?
It doesn't imply that at all! Damn you're bad at debates. You not only misrepresent what I said repeatedly but you draw completely false implications LOL.
Quote:There are atheist scholars who think the evidence indicates that a historical Jesus existed, and some who think that he didn't.
Which is completely irrelevant! Because, if Jesus existed, he was just a man and not the son of God: Christianity is still likely false.
Quote:That's because evidence (particularly historical) can be less than conclusive.
Yes. And I'm saying that you don't need faith if you have any evidence at all. I never mentioned conclusive evidence.
Quote: Saying that either there's evidence or not is simplistic in many situations.
No it isn't! That's called a true dichotomy! Either X or not X is as basic as logic gets.
Quote: Going beyond a statement such as In my opinion the evidence indicates he did/didn't exist, to one of I believe he did/didn't exist, requires an element of faith.
Then we define "faith" differently. Why would you need any faith if you had any evidence at all? Evidence puts the probability in your favor, if you have evidence, you don't need faith... because you actually have a legit reason to believe.
In any case, the historical Jesus is irrelevant.
Quote:No, you don't understand it.
A proposition is falsifiable if evidence which refutes it could possibly be produced.
A proposition is unfalsifiable if evidence which refutes it cannot possibly be produced.
Yes. And for something to be at all plausible within the realm of science it has to be falsfiable... and all evidence is empirical, and empirical evidence is exactly what science deals with.
So you have a very limited appreciation of falsifiablity.
Quote:A proposition can have some supporting evidence for it regardless of whether it's falsifiable or unfalsifiable.
Wrong. As soon as something is unfalsifiable it's outside the natural world and therefore non-empirical and therefore there's impossible to have evidence of it within our natural world... which is the only world we live in.