RE: "Hail Satan?" (2019)
May 15, 2019 at 5:43 pm
(This post was last modified: May 15, 2019 at 5:45 pm by prhill.)
(May 15, 2019 at 5:39 pm)EgoDeath Wrote:(May 15, 2019 at 5:34 pm)prhill Wrote: I TOLD you the magazines AND the videos and podcasts. If you are not interested in the truth then you have been wasting my time.
Okay, so if you know them off the back of your hand like that, why not just shoot me some links? I'm not going to sit through a 2 hour podcast to find one instance of them mentioning summoning demons.
And still, even if specific members of CoS believe in something Rupert Sheldrake made a claim about, this still says ZERO about CoS official stance on supernatural beings.
You clearly have not read one word I have said so you have wasted my time and do not care about that facts
(May 15, 2019 at 5:39 pm)Belaqua Wrote:(May 15, 2019 at 4:04 pm)EgoDeath Wrote: That some author refers to obscure occult practices in France as "Satanism" doesn't make it so. Satanism was not a thing until LaVey created it as a philosophy. I don't know how many times I can repeat this. No one before LaVey called themselves "Satanists." It was a term that was used similar to "Pagans" or "heretics," almost exclusively by Christians.
Satanism "was a thing" at various times. I agree that LaVey organized it in a way that it had never been organized before.
It was indeed a term used by Christians to attack people they suspected. There's a long interesting book from 1896 devoted to working out who really is and isn't a devil-worshipper.
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Devil-Worship_in_France
It's true that Masons and others were accused of being Satanists, but weren't really. On the other hand, there were people who worshipped Satan, who were known as Satanists, and didn't reject the label.
Again, I think you are using a very specific definition of the word which sees LaVey type people as the only true Satanists. This is of course the definition we would expect to find on the web site of LaVey's organization. Still, people who aren't devoted to LaVey tend to use the word in a more general sense, and have done so for a long time. And not only as a term applied to others, like pagan or heretic. This is supported by the sources I have given you.
There were also satanists around before Lavey that used a book called Black Book of Satan. I actually knew a lady who said they used it for rituals in the woods in the 50s. A member owned an occult shop and had all the ritual tools