(March 15, 2019 at 9:55 am)Yonadav Wrote:(March 15, 2019 at 9:24 am)Brian37 Wrote: You are both missing my point.
1. He was disturbed. Mentally healthy people do not go on killing sprees. They don't join Isis either.
This doesnt even have to be about religion.
Say a guy suffers from depression, cant keep a job, gets fired, next day goes in with a firearm and murders several co workers. He is mentally ill, not crazy, but quite sane suffering from depression. Also say for example, If someone was abused as a kid, they can grow up quite sane but suffer the mental affects of the abuse growing up, and end up being violent themselves. In both of those cases you can have a very sane person, who knows what they are doing is wrong, but at the same time be quite disturbed. Not all mental illness means you cant tell right from wrong.
The guy planned months in advance, so he knew what he was doing was wrong, and he was a terrorist. But something disturbed him enough to lead him down that path.
But there is a reason regardless we don't hear about mass shootings that much in Australia or NZ, unlike America their populations have a very healthy attitude about firearms and keeping them out of the wrong hands. So things like this are very rare over there.
I am very worried right now about some of our Christian right wingers killing Muslims here in America because of this. I am also worried that maybe a Muslim here might want to retaliate. But one lady official in NZ did the right thing right off the bat. She said the Muslims who came there were just coming for a better life, and and were welcome there and were part of the nation. She also said about the terrorist, he was not one of them(meaning part of the nation's ideals) nor was his kind of hate and violence welcome there.
Sad though, been watching the news all morning, has anyone seen a tweet or public statement from Trump condemning this? I haven't seen any statement coming from him as of yet. Not that he'd mean it. Any other president prior would be quick to condemn it, and certainly wouldn't have spent years vilifying an entire religion. This Christian terrorist I do believe had quoted Trump.
Mentally healthy people go on killing sprees all the time. Just because you're disturbed doesn't make you a mental health expert.
People go to war. They aren't disturbed. They go to war for reasons. They are completely rational. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Until a professional has diagnosed this guy with psychological problems, he's just a terrorist as far as I'm concerned. He chose to go to war. He's absolutely responsible for his actions. Don't try to blame someone else for indoctrinating him. Don't try to blame mental illness. Since all of us here agree that he's not a freedom fighter, then he's just a terrorist.
No, they do not.
Humans go to war just like other mammals group and compete against each other, but we are not talking about war.
Sociopaths and psychopaths can be quite sane, and disturbed at the same time. It is still a form of mental defect.
No, he did not choose to go to war. He most likely had a lifetime of his own failures and was looking to make himself important and famous. He chose to look for an excuse to make everyone as miserable as he was You don't need a religion to do that. Dillon Harris and Eric Clibold(sp) the Colombine killers were quite sane, not terrorists, but were disturbed and looking to make a mark.
He is a terrorist for sure, but the same sense of self importance and wanting to make a mark, is the same thing that the Colimbine killers did.
The Boston Bomber brothers also "went to war". But the truth really was the older brother was blaming his loss of his kick boxing licence on society, when the truth was he lost it for domestic abuse. You can argue that he hid behind religion as an excuse, so in that sense he was a terrorist. But the real reason he did it was because he was a abuser who got caught and lost his ability to earn a living in that sport.
I highly suspect this guy in NZ simply had a string of failures in his life, and used clung to white nationalism because those bigots made him feel important.
It still takes a disturbed person to murder anyone for any reason outside self defense.