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Cold-Case Christianity
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RE: Cold-Case Christianity
(April 6, 2019 at 12:07 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Ugh, this is going to be painful, lol

It's going to be painful because the book is boring and filled with cop stories while actual claims are scarce. The main premise of the book seems to be that this guy, Jim Warner Wallace, believes that NT is historical and whole book is his drivel that because he is a cop he has more advanced authority over historian and Bible scholars on these matters because he is also stupid enough to believe in miracles. Book seems to have a lot, and I do mean lot, of cop stories but here are some of his claims:

Quote:He characterized Jesus as a really smart guy who had some remarkably wise things to say about life, family, relationships, and work. I began to believe that this might be true.

Nope. Jesus was a very dumb guy who yelled at trees, believed that spit can cure people, that people should not do agriculture but live as birds etc; and he was anti family.

Quote:Within a month, and in spite of my deep skepticism and hesitation, I concluded that Mark’s gospel was the eyewitness account of the apostle Peter.

Let's face it all scholars don't consider Gospels to be eyewitness accounts and we had many discussions about that. Although some think that there was a historical Jesus they also consider that almost all stories in Gospels are fiction. But Jim seems to be aware that scholars don't consider Gospels to be history since he says:

Quote:many of these same historians simultaneously reject the historicity of any of the miracles described in the New Testament, in spite of the fact that these miracles are described alongside the events that scholars accept as historical.

What "alongside events" historians accept to be historical? Slaughter of the innocents? - Not! Rock breaking earthquakes? - NOT! Six hour global darkness? - NOT!

Quote:Even when a particular phenomenon cannot be explained by any natural, material process or set of forces, the vast majority of scientists will refuse to consider a supernatural explanation.

*DUH*

You see when someone makes so many false claims in just forward and first chapter it is pointless to read more. Wouldn't you agree? But OK let's do some more of his claims

Quote:As a skeptic myself, I formed a list of New Testament claims as I first investigated the resurrection. When I was an unbeliever, I found four of Habermas and Licona’s minimal facts to be the most substantiated by

1. Jesus died on the cross and was buried.
2. Jesus’s tomb was empty and no one ever produced His body.
3. Jesus’s disciples believed that they saw Jesus resurrected from the dead.
4. Jesus’s disciples were transformed following their alleged resurrection observations.

1. people that died on cross were never buried
2 & 3 actually "Mark" doesn't claim that disciples believed that they saw Jesus resurrected from the dead. "Mark" ends with women seeing the empty tomb and then he "Mark" tells us that he resurrected. The rest of the Gospel was added later. Not to mention that later gospels differ completely about who saw what at the tomb.

So let's really look at this as judge and jury. If you were the judge presiding over a murder case, you would want to be absolutely certain before convicting the defendant. If the prosecutor calls his key witnesses, but each tells a different story, his case would be very shaky. The defense attorney will argue for the acquittal of his client by demonstrating the weakness of the prosecutor's case. He will impeach the state's witnesses by showing how their accounts are contradictory.

Does Mary wish to tell disciples what happened? Matthew YES; Mark: No.

To whom does Jesus make first appearance and where? Matt. To two martyrs on the way to Jerusalem. Mark: Only Mary Magdalene, but place is not specific. Luke: Cleopas and another at Emmaus. John: Only Mary Magdalene at the tomb.

Who carried the cross? Matthew: Simon. John: Only Jesus

Time and date of the crucifixion? Matthew: Time not specified, first day of Passover. Mark: 9.00 am, first day of Passover. John: 12.00 noon, the day before the Passover.

How many people came to the tomb and who were they? Matt.: Two. Mary Magdalene and other Mary. Mark: Three. Mary Magdalene, Mary mother of James and Salome. Luke: Four+. Mary Magdalene, Mary mother of James, Joanna and other women. John: One. Only Mary Magdalene.

Was the stone removed when the women came to the tomb? Matt. No. When women came angel rolled the stone. Mark: Yes. Stone was already removed. Luke: Yes.

How many angels were at the tomb and what were they doing? Matt.: One angel sitting on the stone he removed. Mark: One young man sitting in the tomb. Luke: Two men standing inside of the tomb. John: No angels at the first visit. But when she comes second time there are two angels sitting; one at the head and one at the feet.


And so on and on. So to treat Gospels as some sort of witness testimony is more than ridiculous, it's idiotic. So this guy must have been one of the worst cops ever or he is just bullshitting around to make money on gullible Christians.
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Cold-Case Christianity - by LadyForCamus - April 6, 2019 at 10:37 am
RE: Cold-Case Christianity - by Foxaèr - April 6, 2019 at 10:42 am
RE: Cold-Case Christianity - by The Valkyrie - April 6, 2019 at 10:51 am
RE: Cold-Case Christianity - by The Grand Nudger - April 6, 2019 at 10:52 am
RE: Cold-Case Christianity - by arewethereyet - April 6, 2019 at 11:55 am
RE: Cold-Case Christianity - by Fake Messiah - April 6, 2019 at 12:04 pm
RE: Cold-Case Christianity - by Succubus - April 6, 2019 at 2:43 pm
RE: Cold-Case Christianity - by LadyForCamus - April 6, 2019 at 12:07 pm
RE: Cold-Case Christianity - by Fireball - April 6, 2019 at 1:48 pm
RE: Cold-Case Christianity - by Fake Messiah - April 6, 2019 at 2:01 pm
RE: Cold-Case Christianity - by vulcanlogician - May 11, 2019 at 2:48 pm
RE: Cold-Case Christianity - by Alan V - April 6, 2019 at 2:14 pm
RE: Cold-Case Christianity - by Fake Messiah - April 6, 2019 at 2:27 pm
RE: Cold-Case Christianity - by LadyForCamus - April 6, 2019 at 3:10 pm
RE: Cold-Case Christianity - by GUBU - April 6, 2019 at 3:40 pm
RE: Cold-Case Christianity - by brewer - April 6, 2019 at 3:53 pm
RE: Cold-Case Christianity - by LadyForCamus - April 6, 2019 at 4:04 pm
RE: Cold-Case Christianity - by Cod - April 6, 2019 at 4:06 pm
RE: Cold-Case Christianity - by Nihilist Virus - April 16, 2019 at 2:35 pm
RE: Cold-Case Christianity - by Simon Moon - April 16, 2019 at 3:22 pm
RE: Cold-Case Christianity - by GUBU - May 11, 2019 at 10:56 am
RE: Cold-Case Christianity - by Macoleco - May 11, 2019 at 2:53 am
RE: Cold-Case Christianity - by Fake Messiah - May 11, 2019 at 9:14 am
RE: Cold-Case Christianity - by Cepheus Ace - May 16, 2019 at 1:35 am
RE: Cold-Case Christianity - by EgoDeath - May 16, 2019 at 9:59 pm
RE: Cold-Case Christianity - by Fireball - May 16, 2019 at 11:42 pm
RE: Cold-Case Christianity - by Simon Moon - May 18, 2019 at 9:46 pm
RE: Cold-Case Christianity - by Fireball - May 18, 2019 at 9:56 pm
RE: Cold-Case Christianity - by Fake Messiah - May 21, 2019 at 4:03 am
RE: Cold-Case Christianity - by madog - May 18, 2019 at 10:18 pm
RE: Cold-Case Christianity - by Jehanne - May 21, 2019 at 6:16 am
RE: Cold-Case Christianity - by possibletarian - May 23, 2019 at 9:26 am
RE: Cold-Case Christianity - by Jehanne - May 24, 2019 at 7:52 pm

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