(May 22, 2019 at 2:39 am)Gae Bolga Wrote:(May 22, 2019 at 12:51 am)Acrobat Wrote: I think so, at least a basic one that’s not specific to any single religion or religious text.
I would argue that suggestions even if made by self identify atheists, that moral rightness and wrongness exists objectively, present a reality akin to something like a novel, I.e a design argument.
I think the moral argument holds water, so much so that it seems pretty difficult even for many atheists to reject objective morality, or beliefs in some sort of transcendent moral reality.
At least that’s my opinion.
Atheists are people who don't believe in gods, Acro. It's not a position on morality. What vulcan was asking you was whether or not it held water -as an argument for a god, not whether or not it held water as an argument for moral realism.
I’m arguing that it hold as an argument for design, since Vulcan views the design argument as best among other theistic arguments for god. I’m merely criticizing his separation of the moral argument from other design arguments.
