RE: Time to embrace Islam!
December 10, 2019 at 6:28 am
(This post was last modified: December 10, 2019 at 6:35 am by R00tKiT.)
(December 10, 2019 at 6:04 am)EgoDeath Wrote: So, you know that these gods don't exist? How can you prove that? Also, how do you know that god is supposed to be immortal? How do you know there's only one god?
Mortals are by definiton not gods. I think we should agree on a definition of god to clarify these points.
If a god is mortal then we can simply ask how come this god came to exist over and over, and we get to infinite regress which leads us to a dead end.
There must be one omnipotent god because as I said multiple gods cannot exceed each other's will. More than one gods with some desired attributes is a logical impossibility.
(December 10, 2019 at 6:04 am)EgoDeath Wrote: To be fair, it was inaccurate of me to use the words "divine creator." Rather, there are many sects of Buddhism that adhere to the concept of an "adibuddha," or a 'primordial Buddha,' that came before humans, and represents the entirety of the universe. So, I suppose I should've worded it a bit differently - that's my mistake. The 14th (current) Dalai Lama has even talked about this concept in the Mahayana tradition. So, while this may not satisfy what your definition of god is, I still ask, Who cares? Who says I should take your word for what god is supposed to be, as opposed to taking the Dalai Lamas word? Certainly he's a lot more credible than you, no?
Any concept of god should at least be expected to answer problems like infinite regress, why there is something instead of nothing, etc. A mortal god is as good as anything out there, and thus isn't interesting to look for a proof of his existence.
One can think of it like this : let's look for the god with the most complete attributes before moving to the more vulnerable and mortal version of god.
(December 10, 2019 at 6:04 am)EgoDeath Wrote: Not to mention, a belief in a personal god doesn't necessarily disqualify one from being a buddhist. A quick search through the Buddhism subreddit will show you there are plenty of Buddhists who still believe in the Christian god and pray to that god, while practicing their Buddhist traditions.
If they belive in the Christian god then they are christians, plain and simple. The beliefs you desribe are extremely personal and not of any academic interest, and certainly not ones to be taken seriously by someone who is really sincere about finding truth
(December 10, 2019 at 6:04 am)EgoDeath Wrote: Says who? How do you know this? How is more than one god logically impossible? Who says they all have to be omnipotent? Also, an impersonal god sounds a lot more just to me. At least the impersonal god doesn't give a flying fuck if humans die, and is honest about that. The personal god cares about humans (supposedly) and still lets five year old kids get bone cancer. Way to go, god. What a joke.
Also, you never answered my question: How does Islam solve the problem of evil?
I know this because otherewise there is a logical impossibility (a god who cannot exceed the other god's will, therefore this god is not omnipotent, therefore he's not the omnipotent god we're looking for).
The impersonal god isn't just then by your own words, we should expect God to at least make up for the injustice in this world and make an afterlife.
Islam solves the problem of evil by not supposing that God is omnibenevolent, love is for those who earn it i.e. those who follow his path sincerely, and not all of his creatures.
(December 10, 2019 at 6:18 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: Just because mulitple entities cannot exceed their respective 'Needs'/'Wants'/'Wills'/'What have you' doesn't negate their supposed existence.
There are multiple humans on the planet, none of whom can 'Exceed each other's will' and yet they all exist.
Another thing would be that a diety need not be 'Omnipotent' to still qualify as a diety.
A diety simply needs to be able to bend reality to its whim (Let alone 'Will'). With different levels of reality changing determining its 'Dietyness'.
As an example. Neo of 'The Matrix' would easily match the description of a 'Diety' as they have the ability to reshape the nature of 'The Matrix' in which their mind and 'Will' can operate.
Cheers.
If you drop omnipotence the concept of a deity becomes too vague, and this deity is certanly not one who tried to reach out to us, unlike the Abrahamic God about whom there are at least some candidate holy books we should investigate.