RE: Time to embrace Islam!
December 10, 2019 at 8:53 am
(This post was last modified: December 10, 2019 at 8:59 am by The Architect Of Fate.)
(December 10, 2019 at 6:49 am)EgoDeath Wrote:Lol i love his answer to evil is that his god allows evil and is the author of evil when he could stop it and somehow making up for it when your dead is just . The rest of his standards are arbitrary or circular .(December 10, 2019 at 6:28 am)Klorophyll Wrote: Mortals are by definiton not gods. I think we should agree on a definition of god to clarify these points.
If a god is mortal then we can simply ask how come this god came to exist over and over, and we get to infinite regress which leads us to a dead end.
There must be one omnipotent god because as I said multiple gods cannot exceed each other's will. More than one gods with some desired attributes is a logical impossibility.
Well, how do you know what qualities god possesses? Also, I can ask, what created your god as much as you can ask what created the other gods of Buddhism.
(December 10, 2019 at 6:28 am)Klorophyll Wrote: Any concept of god should at least be expected to answer problems like infinite regress, why there is something instead of nothing, etc. A mortal god is as good as anything out there, and thus isn't interesting to look for a proof of his existence.
One can think of it like this : let's look for the god with the most complete attributes before moving to the more vulnerable and mortal version of god.
Okay, so far you've claimed: god is immortal and solves the problem of the infinite regress.
How do you know these things to be true and how can you demonstrate them to be true?
(December 10, 2019 at 6:28 am)Klorophyll Wrote: If they belive in the Christian god then they are christians, plain and simple. The beliefs you desribe are extremely personal and not of any academic interest, and certainly not ones to be taken seriously by someone who is really sincere about finding truth
And yet, they identify as Buddhists. Some people call themselves Jews but are Jews only by tradition, and don't actually believe in god. Who are you to say that they are not actually Jewish, or Buddhist, or Muslim, or anything else?
(December 10, 2019 at 6:28 am)Klorophyll Wrote: I know this because otherewise there is a logical impossibility (a god who cannot exceed the other god's will, therefore this god is not omnipotent, therefore he's not the omnipotent god we're looking for).
The impersonal god isn't just then by your own words, we should expect God to at least make up for the injustice in this world and make an afterlife.
Islam solves the problem of evil by not supposing that God is omnibenevolent, love is for those who earn it i.e. those who follow his path sincerely, and not all of his creatures.
So, just to follow your simple logic, if your god is omnipotent, why doesn't it just rid the world of evil with a metaphorical snap of the finger? How does your god answer to five year old children with bone cancer? Did they not earn your god's love?
(December 10, 2019 at 8:45 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: There have been mortal gods, none answer the question of infinite regress, IDK why you expect them to deal with injustice, and only a few create afterlives.Indeed an unjust good or even an perfectly evil god can exist .It's still a god and what god owns anyone an afterlife . It's hilarious that he keeps insisting other religions meet his presuppositions to be valid .As if they make his religion anymore true .
You're just describing the way that you like gods to be. It's not surprising that you end up believing in the kind of god you prefer.
(December 10, 2019 at 6:18 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.Note nothing in his response actually answers your questions .He simply tosses out his arbitrary standards then expects us to think them reasonable .
Uhm.... I'd just like to point out that your comment of;
"Any belief in more than one supreme diety can be proven to be impossible logically. If more than one deity exists, then they cannot exceed each other's will. Hence none of them are deities. "
Just because mulitple entities cannot exceed their respective 'Needs'/'Wants'/'Wills'/'What have you' doesn't negate their supposed existence.
There are multiple humans on the planet, none of whom can 'Exceed each other's will' and yet they all exist.
Another thing would be that a diety need not be 'Omnipotent' to still qualify as a diety.
A diety simply needs to be able to bend reality to its whim (Let alone 'Will'). With different levels of reality changing determining its 'Dietyness'.
As an example. Neo of 'The Matrix' would easily match the description of a 'Diety' as they have the ability to reshape the nature of 'The Matrix' in which their mind and 'Will' can operate.
Cheers.
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Nemo sicut deus debet esse!
“No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM