RE: Time to embrace Islam!
December 10, 2019 at 10:06 am
(This post was last modified: December 10, 2019 at 10:07 am by R00tKiT.)
(December 10, 2019 at 6:49 am)EgoDeath Wrote: Well, how do you know what qualities god possesses?
The only qualities I can know are those that god allowed me to know. And for that there is no way around scripture.
To avoid any circularity let me clarify the whole thing like this:
(1) If one assumes a God exists with some desirable properties, which include justness, then necessarily God gave us the way to know him to some extent and what he expects us to do in this life, the only thing one can think of that matches that is scripture. Next step is then to investigate good 'candidate' scriptures.
If God didn't give us any clear way at all in this life, then he necessarily possesses negative properties (namely: absolutely uncaring and unjust). And inquiry about his existence is meaningless since nothing changes by us knowing whether he exists or not.
(2) If one doesn't assume God exists, then he should investigate how truthful are the people who claim to communicate with him. The truth of one claim is then proof of both God's existence (which the religious claims usually entail) and the truth of the particular religion.
(December 10, 2019 at 6:49 am)EgoDeath Wrote: Okay, so far you've claimed: god is immortal and solves the problem of the infinite regress.
How do you know these things to be true and how can you demonstrate them to be true?
As I clarified above it depends on one's position about God's existence. If one is absolutely agnostic about the question the most natural way is to read about the prophets' claims and what evidence did they present without the need of checking standard proofs like the Kalam argument, the teleological, ontological, etc.
These proofs are constantly refined to address the constant holes found, but if God exists it shouldn't be that difficult to find out about it, leaving the prophets as the only plausible proof.
(December 10, 2019 at 6:49 am)EgoDeath Wrote: And yet, they identify as Buddhists. Some people call themselves Jews but are Jews only by tradition, and don't actually believe in god. Who are you to say that they are not actually Jewish, or Buddhist, or Muslim, or anything else?
That they identify as Buddhists is an opinion of theirs. If one is a true Buddhist he should adhere at least to the core ideas, which obviously don't include the christian God. If one claims he's a Muslm but doesn't acknowledge Muhammad's prophecy then there is something wrong with his claim, he is either lying or is terribly misinformed about the system of belief he's adhering to.
(December 10, 2019 at 6:49 am)EgoDeath Wrote: So, just to follow your simple logic, if your god is omnipotent, why doesn't it just rid the world of evil with a metaphorical snap of the finger? How does your god answer to five year old children with bone cancer? Did they not earn your god's love?
The answer I give of course doesn't answer all the cases one can think of about evil, there is like a whole literature on theodicy. But it does address the fundamental problem with christianity : God will punish some poeple with eternity in hell while he loves them. In this form the problem is simply unanswerable, some assumption is not correct or the deity doesn't exist.
Omnibenevolence is actually nonsensical, love and caring entail elements of human affection which can't be extended to a creator.
The famous objection of bone cancer in children is a good example of that, we cannot stand as humans a newborn suffering an incurable disease, from our perspective it's extremely unsettling, but again any level of suffering for any finite length of time is (if a just deity exists) entirely canceled out by an eternity of heavenly existence.