[Serious] Time to embrace Islam!

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A god with less than absolute properties is unknowable (say, less bright to be knowable) and didn't make an effort to communicate with us (since all major scriptures agree on properties like omnipotence and omniscience).
And isn't the god with these particular proprties the first one we shoud look into ?

Why is a god with less than absolute properties "unknowable?" What are absolute properties? And how do you know these things?

If there is any way to know god, it's already there

Says who?

(the assumed just God existed for the ancient people, way before the big bang was figured out, way before formal arguments about his existence were written) , it's clearly not something we will figure out one day, it's already there or it isn't, because the supposed God is just for our ancestors too and made a way for them to reach him.

Once again, I'm just not sure how you're coming to these conclusions.

The false assumptions you're talking about are simply a logical disjunction : you either assume God exists or you don't, there is no third way

The third way is to simply admit that you do not know.

Of course you won't take anyone's word for such a claim. Messengers reportedly came up with miracles and such. The prophet of Islam is the most recent of the abrahamic religions and the original holy text is preserved, don't you think this might be a good candidate ?
A pages ago I mentioned the theory of Isnad being the way Islamic scholars ascertain what's reported about Muhammad, Isnad was acclaimed by orientalists and can be a good starting point for the serious researcher.
For example an authentic hadith narrates some miraculous event Muhammad did, the chain of narrators is made of very reliable historical figures reporting the event one after another. It's true it's far from an exact science, but once you look into it more carefully it completely dismisses the claim that Muhammad knowingly lied and faked his prophecy, and popular atheist activists today found a laughable way out of that : Muhammad was epileptic and was completely convinced that he is the prophet of God, everything he did was sincere but was out of his epilepsy.

Well, I'm not sure what this has to do with taking people's word for it when they claim to communicate with god, but alright.

Well, that was my point in a way. Philosophical arguments are by definition inaccessible to the layman and prone to error, although I would give the theologians the benefit of the doubt as they merely try to convey their understanding of scripture - which convinced them of God - in formal terms.[/quote[]

Okay. We can disagree on that point. I have actually began to study Christian theology, but from a secular point of view, and so far as I can tell it's all just convoluted nonsense, made to sound more complex so it seems like you're taking a course in one of the sciences. That's my impression so far. I do still, however, find the stories of the Bible to be interesting, sometimes.

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I don't agree with that. If I join the fat right hand community, my right hand really should be fat.
If one claims to be a Buddhist and sharply disagrees with what almost all Buddhist scholars say about what he should believe in... I mean come on.

Well, you say, "I mean come on," as if it's so obvious, but it is? Is a physical indicator like "fat right hand" in any way, shape, or form the same thing as calling oneself a Buddhist, or Christian, or Muslim? I'd say it certainly isn't. Furthermore, if someone holds 99% of their views to be in line with the Muslim faith, but holds the view that Mohammed doesn't exist, and never existed, and is only a symbol for Muslim faith, does that mean they aren't a Muslim? Even if your answer is yes, we have to ask, is that nearly the same thing as someone who hold 99% of their views to be in line with Buddhist teachings, but then chooses to pray to a divine creator? I'd say it isn't.

You seem to be getting strangely hung up on this point, and I'm not sure why. My only point was that some Buddhists believe in gods and some Buddhists choose to pray to one, divine creator.

An existent deity should be good enough to make such deal, and given the amount of objections we humans can come up with, it's not an easy to get kind of deal.

The real challenge is to reconcile our beliefs with reality, not to give up on them

Yeah. Sounds good.