(December 10, 2019 at 5:17 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:(December 10, 2019 at 3:53 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: You are reading translations of the Qur'an people. The literary challenge concerns the original text and unless you learn Arabic there is absolutely no way - nor any right - for you to make judgments.
? are you saying that the Quran is a black box only opens for Arabs ?
This is one big false claim that is used by Muslims who crack in front of arguments from non-Arabs. So they run from the embarrassment of failing at discussions by throwing this excuse in the faces of their foes.
Ask yourself; what kind of God reveals a book that is clear to Arabs but a black box to non-Arabs?
That is one troll of a God, that is racist too.
But opening the Quran and reading, we find this verse:
Quote:Sura 41, The Quran:
http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#a...rans=en_sh
( 44 ) And if We had made it a non-Arabic Qur'an, they would have said, "Why are its verses not explained in detail [in our language]? Is it a foreign [recitation] and an Arab [messenger]?" Say, "It is, for those who believe, a guidance and cure." And those who do not believe - in their ears is deafness, and it is upon them blindness. Those are being called from a distant place.
The Quran is a cure for one's logic, one's mind and soul, as long as the reader "Understands" what's in it.
So it's up for those who understands it in Arabic to translate it; just like the ancient Muslims did.
Again: the Quran is all about meaning. Muslims even tried it once; they translated the Quran to all languages and it served as the constitution of huge foreign empires like the great Ottoman empire.
Quote:Orientalist (non Muslim) literature is a good starting point to have an informed opinion about the Qur'an literary content.
No it's not. The orientalist sources in many times treat Muslims like cattle; see this video to understand -it's very short but worth your whole topic-:
Just a question: are you and Benny related?
Quote: Let's pick a random quote : Fitzgerald Arbuthnot - eminent orientalist - says "...and though several attempts have been made to produce a work equal to it as far elegant writing is concerned, none has succeeded". Put that against random guy who has a translation of the Koran on his shelf, read about it a couple of times then decided it was poorly worded. Gosh
http://reappropriate.co/2014/04/what-is-...so-racism/
Quote:And, perhaps that’s not entirely surprising. Although Orientalism has been asserted to be one of the three pillars of White supremacy by Andrea Smith in her seminal paper “Heteropatriarchy and the Three Pillars of White Supremacy” — with Orientalism as a separate and distinct logic alongside anti-Blackness and anti-Indigenous colonialism — Orientalism also appears to be among the least discussed and most poorly understood logic of White supremacy even within digital anti-racist spaces
Benny; do you understand what I quoted; you don't want to quote what Orientalism and its scholars suggest; believe me...or does my strength give you strength ?
(December 10, 2019 at 5:17 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Klorophyll,
So, do you have any evidence for god, or...?