[Serious] Time to embrace Islam!

[Deesse23]

Do you see the lie wide and big ? Do I need to zoom more ?
Apostasy is nowhere in the Qur'an and you think the majority of Muslims believe that? Bring the verse then now or consider yourself just as ignorant as the 'majority of muslims' you're referring to.

Dude, there are entire muslim countries where apostasy is punished (often with death)
Some of the most renowed islamic scholars and institutions have (just lately!) confirmed that apostasy = death
I wont bother to look it all up in detail, because you will flat out deny it, no matter what. That much is what we have learned about your character in here already. Once a person has given up rational thought decided that religion is #1 and everything else #2, at best, then religion can take over and make one completely abandon the ability to be reasoned with, up to the poin tof giving up your humanity. You have reached the point by denying that islam made and makes people kill others just for what they think (= not believing). You are welcome to waste your entire lifetime with this horrible mess, bu tdont expect me to waste more than whats necessary in here.
You want meaningful conversation? good then qualify for it, by getting back some of your human decency that you left at the altar of worshipping an imaginary morla monster god.

Its not your fault to be born ignorant, but to die ignornt.

Can you read minds, or how do you know that apostates do want to spread disorder? Or are you just making shit up, as per usual.

We know that by usually waiting for them to spread disorder, the real treasonous harmful kind of disorder. Look it up if you don't believe me.

What kind of treasonous, harmful disorder? Making others apostates as well? Whats the fair punishment for this *treason* in your opinion?
And by the way. Look above, where you denied that (a majority of) muslims believe in punishment for apostates, and now you say "We know that by usually waiting for them to spread disorder,..". You seem indeed to be concerned about apostasy, arent you? So much that you accuse apostates across the board with treason, and we all know treason must be punished, right?

First you deny that apostates be punished, and in the next sentence you are thumping your chest about how you catch them being treasonous apostates.

It's not their (Deesse23: scholars) job to impress you,

It fucking is. If a scholar wants me to believe in his interpretations of the Quran, to believe in Allah at all, then he better be fucking impressive with his credentials and methodolgies to figure out the correct interpretation of Quran (unlike those filthy heretic other muslims like Atlass, you know), i can tell you that.
What about you? You believe any certified-by-clusterfuck-scholar, whatever he says?

if you don't want to read established consensus about the meaning of the Qur'anic verses, how Islamic law is enforced, how Islamic jurisprudence helps understanding what you usually claim to be mistakes, you're free to not to, just don't spread lies.

Correct i am not interested in the consensus of self proclaimed experts about a fairy tale they take for real. I am interested in people who do actually care what is true, what they can demonstrate to be true and the methods how to demonstrate it to be true.

Oh , puh-leaze. Puh-leaze dont tell me you are that ignorant! My professors always were able to demonstrate that what they say is correct. They also encouraged me to always question what they say, to not accept their authority on thei rtitle alone. How about your religious scholars?

They do that too, they demonstrate that their understanding of holy texts is accurate by referring to systematic rules of Arabic rhetoric and grammar. In particular, they don't base their understandings in something they heard in the news.

If your schholars can demonstrate that their interpretation is correct, why are there scholars with opposing views? Whats the standard to decide which scholar is correct? Sure scholars dont base their understandings of things in news, they base it on a 1500 year old book written by ignorant, savage warlords. As for the scholars´abilities: Rules of grammar seems to be a bit thin, concerning whats at the stake: belief in a creator of everthing, who wants to you pray....properly! Or, maybe, just maybe, i underestimated my grammar teacher in primary school.

Why do news bother you so much? Because they would make you question your established belief? Yeah, doubt, based on new information is a grave danger to an deep enraved wishful thinking in fairy tales, isnt it?