(December 17, 2019 at 8:16 am)Klorophyll Wrote: Where the fuck did I deny apostasy man?You denied its mentioned in your holy book. You denied that a majority of muslims thinks it should be punished (preferably by death). You ignored me explaining that some of the most renowed scholars and schools of Islam agree with this.
(December 17, 2019 at 8:16 am)Klorophyll Wrote: I was the one who brought it into the discussion you know, when you mentioned killing atheists arbitrarily without any clarification in your memorable first post.Bolding mine: which i didnt. And after having that pointed out to you in my previous response, i can only conclude that you are lying. But thats pretty much what i expect from people who have given up their humanity on the altar of religion.
Here is my original quote, verbatim, liar:
(December 16, 2019 at 2:07 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: Its not ok to kill atheists?Please note how i mentioned you being ok with killing apostates. We will come back to that very soon.
Its ok to kill people who know Allah exists but reject him?
As if that would make a meaningful difference.
Your moral compass is so skewed, you actually think its ok to kill people for ...believing
Thanks, but no thanks.
(December 17, 2019 at 8:16 am)Klorophyll Wrote: Again, I deny the existence of a verse who mentions apostasy. I know it's enforced and I know it's there in the Islamic jurisprudence based on an authentic hadith.And we are there already. You being ok with killing people for apostasy.
And if it is established by a court of Islamic law that it is actual treason (which is extremely complicated to establish and requires incontrovertible proof already) then yes, the punishment is death.
(December 17, 2019 at 8:16 am)Klorophyll Wrote: If you are interested about what's true, why did you bring up killing? This is a serious matter you know, and it's dealt with extensively in scholarly literature, and hint: killing nonbelievers (which is miles away different from the status of an apostate) is unexistent.And the difference/distance between me not believing and a former muslim not believing is.....how many miles?
(December 17, 2019 at 8:16 am)Klorophyll Wrote: It's not like we're blindly following some random Imam born in Tora Bora instructing us to strike the White House.Sure, you arent. You are ok with killing apostates, as soon as some *Islamic jurisprudence* tells you its ok, as you just fucking said above. Its also noted that you seem not to give a shit about jurisprudence which is not religious.
(December 17, 2019 at 8:16 am)Klorophyll Wrote: Scholars have no opposing views when it comes to killing a nonbeliver [Hint: it's murder]Stop derailing and strawmanning me. Nobody talks about killing nonbelievers, but you.
You know you are lying, i know it and everyone else knows it. So why are you going to embarass yourself by forcing me to give examples? Do you really think your method of flat out denying of what you just openly stated (like you did just above) is gonna work here? Please stop insulting my intellect.
Cetero censeo religionem delendam esse