RE: Time to embrace Islam!
December 20, 2019 at 10:46 am
(This post was last modified: December 20, 2019 at 11:18 am by R00tKiT.)
(December 19, 2019 at 7:59 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: "Fuck" is a word. Are you a child that you are scared of words?
If so, explain why certain words scare you.
Apparently, you need to upgrade your moral system before feeling remorse after uttering a "fuck off" to people who disagree with your outdated lies.
(December 19, 2019 at 7:59 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: An apologist for allah,
At least try to save face by making a case for ONE verse really mentioning apostasy. Next time don't try and mindllessly copy garbage unfounded stereotype here, it will be dismantled, badly.
(December 19, 2019 at 9:11 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: That's a strange question in the manner that it was framed and in the contents. Yes, a dictionary can be trusted to define words. Apostasy isn't a concept belonging to any particularly tradition - every religious authority, of every religion, has had to deal with the problem of dissenters and free riders. No matter what language is being spoken, and no matter what religion the people speaking it belong to, they've all been discussing the subject of apostasy, what to do with apostates, and the justifications for whatever course of action they may take.
Apostasy doesn't belong to people speaking about it casually, it's an extremely serious court order that only comes from a state, not individuals or insurgent groups. And consensus has been reached centuries ago that almost impossible conditions should be met before thinking of applying such penalty. I already mentioned that no order was issued by major Islamic caliphates before the 11th century, which means 4 centuries went by after Muhammad without a single case of execution because of apostasy.
(December 19, 2019 at 9:11 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: As to the other matter, I would be surprised if there's any significant difference between our moral systems, Kloro. It would be a fun experiment to try and come up with any moral declarations that you think can only be made by, for example..a muslim (and the right kind of muslim, whichever kind that is). I'd contend..sight unseen, that I could strip all of the god from the statement while retaining the moral content, for which every culture and every person, religious or otherwise, has an analog - just like apostasy and treason.
Actually there are many declarations I can make that make us stand out as Muslims, such as:
- Never say fuck off to people who disagee with you when you run out of answers and/or found out that what you copied was garbage but are too cowardly to acknowledge it.
- Don't be afraid as a moderator to remove the "fuck off" comments even if the member in question shares your (non)religious belief.
- Never copy the numbers of verses of the Qur'an without reading the actual verses, because it usually turns out they don't contain the claim for which you brought them into the discussion in the first place.
- Never say "Disgusting" about a marriage that happened 14 centuries ago because presentism is a deadly sin for historians.
And many more to come.
(December 20, 2019 at 5:11 am)EgoDeath Wrote: In all honesty, I don't mean to "overcomplicate" matters, to the contrary, I mean to clarify what you're asking. So what physical properties does "god" have, if any?
Apparently you don't want to presuppose anything about God, which is already a mistake. Let me ask you this : If I claim that my cat is a divine entity, is my claim worth investigating ?
(December 20, 2019 at 5:11 am)EgoDeath Wrote: No, I didn't. Are you claiming that this is a source for your claim?
Actually it is. It is the way we establish that something reported about Muhammad (such as producing a miracle) is accurate, so naturally it does serve our claims.