RE: The code that is DNA
December 8, 2019 at 6:30 pm
(This post was last modified: December 8, 2019 at 6:48 pm by Simon Moon.)
(December 6, 2019 at 8:51 pm)Yukon_Jack Wrote: Boru, I think you’re splitting hairs concerning the definition of law.
“Scientific laws (also known as natural laws) imply a cause and effect between the observed elements and must always apply under the same conditions.”
I use it to describe the way things are always known to happen say 2+2 will always =4. Water always boils when certain conditions are met. But there is nothing that governs the order of nucleotides and that in itself lies the mystery of how these instructions came about.
John 6IX, am I in agreement with you?
You are assuming that the 'correct' order of nucleotides was a goal. So, on order to come up with the exact order we now have, there must have been something guiding it to our current state/order.
You are so enthralled with our existence, and how amazing we are, that you are assuming we are the end result of being guided by something even more amazing. "Well, we're the top of the food chain, the most intelligent, harnessed technology, traveled to the moon, etc, aren't we great. Something even greater must have designed us".
But we are not a goal of a creator, we are the end result of massive numbers of trial and error, where only the results that helped survival made it through the filter of natural selection.
It's not like DNA and the correct order of nucleotides came directly out of the very beginnings of the process that lead to us, without a vast number of successes and failures, trial and error, etc. The steps from the most basic self replicating molecule to us are immense. And there is nothing along the way that requires magic. The laws of physics and chemistry are enough to explain it.
Here's exactly what you are doing:
When one is dealt a bridge hand of thirteen cards, the probability of being dealt that particular hand (whatever cards it is comprised of) is less than one in 600 billion. Still, it would be absurd for someone to be dealt a hand, examine it carefully, calculate that the probability of getting it is less than one in 600 billion, and then conclude that he must not have been dealt that very hand because it is so very improbable.
But you are going one step further, you are getting a perfect bridge hand, 13 cards of all the same suite, and placing special importance on it, because it was predesignated as a perfect hand by the rules of the game. But here's the fact, getting a perfect bridge hand, has no greater odds than a hand with just a bunch of random cards of all different suits. In bridge, the perfect hand has so much importance, because it is defined that way. You are doing the same thing with us.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.