(December 30, 2019 at 1:55 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:(December 30, 2019 at 1:42 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: From my experience the definition of a god is what ever helps the theists argument at the time and is prone to change at any moment.
Or are you going to give us a comprehensive definition!
Do it in bullet points please.
No pal, the mere possibility of a deity needing something jepordizes anything that makes it a deity, namely omnipotence.
A comprehensive definition of God would be the unique, eternal being with at least the two absolute properties of omnipotence and omniscience.
So god by your definition, god is aware of all the rapes of small children and is able to prevent all the rapes of small children but chooses not to.
I don't think that that a reasonable being would do that.
So god is not real.
(December 30, 2019 at 1:55 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: * If we omit the uniqueness property we no longer respect the parcimony principle, a deity with such properties is enough to explain the whole existence. And it's possible to logically rule out multiple deities with these properties.
A time travelling whale with magical powers is enough to explain all of existence. We need more than a story that kinda explains stuff if you squint.
(December 30, 2019 at 1:55 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: * Omiting that it's eternal only displaces the problem, what was before this deity existed? And we're back to actual infinite regress of which is, I would argue, logically impossible.
Where did your god exist before the universe?
what was it made of?
Where did it get the stuff for the this universe?
what made it make this universe when it did?
You know what would be simpler, some sort of natural phenomena.
You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.
Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.