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The hijab (etc) is immodest
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RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest
(January 24, 2020 at 2:57 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(December 10, 2019 at 10:18 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: The original purpose of what has now become traditional dress was modesty, and arguably justified as a way to protect women from rape in a barbaric time and region, but now it's purpose is tradition and a way to announce that you're a Muslim.

I wouldn't put it like that. In all of antiquity even outside Islam, girls and women were seen more like property than equals. Sure it was to prevent rape, but more so that your property doesn't get damaged. 

Even in America females were blamed for their own rapes and women just hundred years ago were expected to dress a certain way too, even if not covering up their heads.

Body autonomy for women has been a recent progress in the west. While I would never suggest banning the hijab, I would argue what Ayaan Hirsi Ali has, being a former Muslim herself. I would argue that while Muslim women in the west have the freedom to wear it, that is not the case in much of the Middle East, it is mandatory, and the woman can be punished or even beaten for not wearing it. It is gender role clothing, just like LDS and Amish and it is patriarchal in meaning.

There are differences between men and women biologically; and it was even proven scientifically that many hormones in a man's body are absent or lacking in a female's and vise versa.

Men are not equal to women at least biologically; we didn't even go to the effects of different hormones on the brain. Saying both are equal is a very loose and ambiguous claim. Ignoring this fact brings issues to the society, and maybe the shocking numbers of divorce in the U.S and Europe is an evidence to that; it's very wrong to insist on calling "oranges" "apples". They are equal though in terms of rights.

Women are not the same being as men, we can start at the evolutionary roles that both did based on the nature of their bodies -men hunt; women raise kids-, archeology proves too how ancient people knew these roles based on the de-facto capabilities they are born with.

I think and believe that nothing is wrong with women, but everything is wrong with the male-culture that enforces its image on women, forcing them to satisfy the male mind at all times -like making them dress as sluts to enjoy looking at them-.
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The hijab (etc) is immodest - by BrokenQuill92 - December 10, 2019 at 9:56 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Mister Agenda - December 10, 2019 at 10:18 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by BrokenQuill92 - December 10, 2019 at 10:20 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Abaddon_ire - January 20, 2020 at 5:50 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by WinterHold - January 20, 2020 at 6:47 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 17, 2022 at 6:17 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Brian37 - January 24, 2020 at 2:57 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by WinterHold - January 24, 2020 at 8:23 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Belacqua - January 24, 2020 at 9:35 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by WinterHold - January 25, 2020 at 7:52 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Belacqua - January 26, 2020 at 6:42 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by WinterHold - January 27, 2020 at 3:04 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Belacqua - January 27, 2020 at 7:59 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by WinterHold - January 27, 2020 at 8:20 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Belacqua - January 27, 2020 at 8:58 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by WinterHold - January 27, 2020 at 9:49 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Belacqua - January 28, 2020 at 12:57 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by WinterHold - January 28, 2020 at 3:32 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Belacqua - January 28, 2020 at 7:55 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by WinterHold - January 28, 2020 at 6:54 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Fake Messiah - February 1, 2020 at 4:18 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by EgoDeath - February 2, 2020 at 2:44 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by WinterHold - February 2, 2020 at 3:05 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Fake Messiah - February 2, 2020 at 3:25 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by WinterHold - February 2, 2020 at 3:32 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by EgoDeath - February 2, 2020 at 4:45 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 19, 2022 at 3:22 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 19, 2022 at 3:23 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Abaddon_ire - February 1, 2020 at 4:16 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by EgoDeath - January 28, 2020 at 3:33 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 18, 2022 at 2:54 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Brian37 - January 25, 2020 at 12:43 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Fake Messiah - January 25, 2020 at 1:46 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by WinterHold - January 25, 2020 at 3:15 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Fake Messiah - January 25, 2020 at 3:53 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by WinterHold - January 25, 2020 at 4:17 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Fake Messiah - January 26, 2020 at 12:49 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 18, 2022 at 2:37 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Mister Agenda - December 10, 2019 at 10:26 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Prycejosh1987 - January 20, 2020 at 4:34 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by LostLocke - January 23, 2020 at 10:07 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 18, 2022 at 9:34 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by WinterHold - January 20, 2020 at 5:41 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 17, 2022 at 5:49 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Paleophyte - January 20, 2020 at 7:00 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by BrokenQuill92 - January 21, 2020 at 8:29 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Belacqua - January 21, 2020 at 6:36 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Fake Messiah - January 23, 2020 at 7:16 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 17, 2022 at 6:22 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by arewethereyet - January 20, 2020 at 7:08 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Fake Messiah - January 21, 2020 at 1:48 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 17, 2022 at 7:47 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Belacqua - January 21, 2020 at 2:09 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 17, 2022 at 11:19 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Belacqua - September 17, 2022 at 4:35 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by The Grand Nudger - January 21, 2020 at 6:42 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Sal - January 23, 2020 at 8:32 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Belacqua - January 23, 2020 at 10:00 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Fake Messiah - January 24, 2020 at 3:01 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Belacqua - January 24, 2020 at 4:46 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Fake Messiah - January 24, 2020 at 6:03 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Belacqua - January 24, 2020 at 6:49 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 24, 2020 at 7:09 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Fake Messiah - January 24, 2020 at 9:05 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 18, 2022 at 2:04 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by WinterHold - January 24, 2020 at 11:06 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 18, 2022 at 9:20 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by WinterHold - January 23, 2020 at 8:59 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by The Grand Nudger - January 24, 2020 at 7:45 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Sal - January 24, 2020 at 8:41 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Belacqua - January 24, 2020 at 5:26 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by The Grand Nudger - January 24, 2020 at 9:19 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Fake Messiah - January 24, 2020 at 9:56 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by The Grand Nudger - January 24, 2020 at 10:53 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by The Grand Nudger - January 24, 2020 at 11:12 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by WinterHold - January 24, 2020 at 12:11 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by The Grand Nudger - January 24, 2020 at 12:52 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Mr Greene - January 24, 2020 at 8:34 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by The Grand Nudger - January 25, 2020 at 5:32 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Mr Greene - January 25, 2020 at 4:51 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by The Grand Nudger - January 26, 2020 at 5:05 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by EgoDeath - January 26, 2020 at 11:11 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by R00tKiT - January 27, 2020 at 9:07 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by EgoDeath - January 27, 2020 at 11:41 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 18, 2022 at 3:11 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by R00tKiT - September 18, 2022 at 6:09 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 19, 2022 at 2:14 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by R00tKiT - September 19, 2022 at 5:48 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 20, 2022 at 6:11 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by R00tKiT - September 20, 2022 at 3:45 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 21, 2022 at 12:10 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Rev. Rye - January 26, 2020 at 11:28 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by EgoDeath - January 26, 2020 at 11:42 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Rev. Rye - January 26, 2020 at 11:51 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by EgoDeath - January 27, 2020 at 12:53 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 27, 2020 at 9:45 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by R00tKiT - January 27, 2020 at 9:53 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 27, 2020 at 9:57 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by R00tKiT - January 27, 2020 at 10:18 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 27, 2020 at 10:20 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by R00tKiT - January 27, 2020 at 10:36 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 27, 2020 at 11:43 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 19, 2022 at 2:32 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 18, 2022 at 3:42 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 18, 2022 at 3:18 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by WinterHold - January 27, 2020 at 5:41 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 19, 2022 at 2:38 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by The Grand Nudger - January 27, 2020 at 10:26 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 27, 2020 at 10:28 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by The Grand Nudger - January 27, 2020 at 10:29 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by The Grand Nudger - January 27, 2020 at 10:54 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by The Grand Nudger - January 27, 2020 at 3:14 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by WinterHold - January 27, 2020 at 3:27 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by EgoDeath - January 27, 2020 at 3:32 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by The Grand Nudger - January 27, 2020 at 3:47 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by WinterHold - January 27, 2020 at 3:53 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by EgoDeath - January 27, 2020 at 11:23 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by WinterHold - January 28, 2020 at 12:27 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 19, 2022 at 2:51 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by The Architect Of Fate - September 19, 2022 at 3:00 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 19, 2022 at 3:54 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by The Grand Nudger - January 27, 2020 at 4:03 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by EgoDeath - January 29, 2020 at 12:30 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by EgoDeath - February 2, 2020 at 7:04 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by WinterHold - February 3, 2020 at 5:42 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by EgoDeath - February 4, 2020 at 11:09 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Belacqua - February 5, 2020 at 6:42 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by EgoDeath - February 5, 2020 at 10:29 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by The Grand Nudger - February 3, 2020 at 5:47 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by The Grand Nudger - February 5, 2020 at 10:13 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Eclectic - September 17, 2022 at 6:52 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 17, 2022 at 7:50 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Eclectic - September 17, 2022 at 11:35 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Angrboda - September 18, 2022 at 3:40 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 18, 2022 at 3:48 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Angrboda - September 18, 2022 at 3:56 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 19, 2022 at 1:50 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Eclectic - September 18, 2022 at 11:42 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Mister Agenda - September 19, 2022 at 11:27 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 19, 2022 at 2:16 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Eclectic - September 19, 2022 at 4:29 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 20, 2022 at 5:56 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Eclectic - September 20, 2022 at 6:14 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 20, 2022 at 6:43 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 20, 2022 at 7:24 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Eclectic - September 19, 2022 at 3:51 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Eclectic - September 19, 2022 at 2:10 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 19, 2022 at 3:51 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by arewethereyet - September 19, 2022 at 4:39 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 20, 2022 at 7:28 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by arewethereyet - September 20, 2022 at 10:04 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Eclectic - September 20, 2022 at 12:49 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 21, 2022 at 11:33 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Eclectic - September 22, 2022 at 4:25 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by The Grand Nudger - September 21, 2022 at 12:00 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 25, 2022 at 2:31 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - October 2, 2022 at 2:54 pm

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