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The hijab (etc) is immodest
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RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest
(January 24, 2020 at 8:23 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: There are differences between men and women biologically; and it was even proven scientifically that many hormones in a man's body are absent or lacking in a female's and vise versa.

Men are not equal to women at least biologically; we didn't even go to the effects of different hormones on the brain. Saying both are equal is a very loose and ambiguous claim. Ignoring this fact brings issues to the society, and maybe the shocking numbers of divorce in the U.S and Europe is an evidence to that; it's very wrong to insist on calling "oranges" "apples". They are equal though in terms of rights.

Women are not the same being as men, we can start at the evolutionary roles that both did based on the nature of their bodies -men hunt; women raise kids-, archeology proves too how ancient people knew these roles based on the de-facto capabilities they are born with.

These days trans and gender fluid people are asking us to look again at what we used to call biological differences. The whole thing may not be as simple as we thought. 

Nor am I convinced that gender roles in certain hunter/gatherer societies were as hard and fast as we might think. And even if they were, we're not hunter/gatherers any more. People are adaptable. 

The main thing is that we not reify tradition or habit and declare it to be pre-determined. It's nomos, not physis. Things change, and that's OK. 

Quote:I think and believe that nothing is wrong with women, but everything is wrong with the male-culture that enforces its image on women, forcing them to satisfy the male mind at all times -like making them dress as sluts to enjoy looking at them-.

This I think is very relevant. Social pressure on women is very strong. 

I know it's not either/or, but sometimes you see side-by-side photos of women in which people claim liberation has occured: on one side they are wearing hijabs, and on the other side mini-skirts. Yet both choices may have been determined by others. Give up your hijab and wear this designer outfit. Liberate yourself from tradition so you can participate in the fashion which the media tell you is the only attractive thing. 

If we say that someone is free because she dresses just like an American, that may be too simple. There are also pressures to dress like Americans that are, in their own ways, difficult to avoid. 

I think it is probably easier, in one's own mind, to flout dress codes that are imposed from above, and harder to ignore dress codes imposed by one's peers. I used to live in a little Japanese rural village where the high school had a strict dress code. The boys' solutions to this were hilarious. For example, they would sew purple silk linings into their pockets that weren't visible during the day, but on the train ride home the would pull the pockets inside out to show their disobedience. It was a lovely decadent touch. When I lived in Spanish Harlem I used to see Catholic high school girls getting on the subway and rolling up the tops of their skirts, to make them much shorter. 

This is in contrast to the high school I went to. We had no official dress code, but we all dressed exactly alike, and this was enforced by peer pressure. Ill-fitting jeans, or the wrong brand, brought mockery all day long.
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The hijab (etc) is immodest - by BrokenQuill92 - December 10, 2019 at 9:56 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Mister Agenda - December 10, 2019 at 10:18 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by BrokenQuill92 - December 10, 2019 at 10:20 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Abaddon_ire - January 20, 2020 at 5:50 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by WinterHold - January 20, 2020 at 6:47 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 17, 2022 at 6:17 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Brian37 - January 24, 2020 at 2:57 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by WinterHold - January 24, 2020 at 8:23 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Belacqua - January 24, 2020 at 9:35 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by WinterHold - January 25, 2020 at 7:52 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Belacqua - January 26, 2020 at 6:42 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by WinterHold - January 27, 2020 at 3:04 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Belacqua - January 27, 2020 at 7:59 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by WinterHold - January 27, 2020 at 8:20 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Belacqua - January 27, 2020 at 8:58 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by WinterHold - January 27, 2020 at 9:49 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Belacqua - January 28, 2020 at 12:57 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by WinterHold - January 28, 2020 at 3:32 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Belacqua - January 28, 2020 at 7:55 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by WinterHold - January 28, 2020 at 6:54 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Fake Messiah - February 1, 2020 at 4:18 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by EgoDeath - February 2, 2020 at 2:44 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by WinterHold - February 2, 2020 at 3:05 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Fake Messiah - February 2, 2020 at 3:25 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by WinterHold - February 2, 2020 at 3:32 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by EgoDeath - February 2, 2020 at 4:45 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 19, 2022 at 3:22 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 19, 2022 at 3:23 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Abaddon_ire - February 1, 2020 at 4:16 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by EgoDeath - January 28, 2020 at 3:33 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 18, 2022 at 2:54 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Brian37 - January 25, 2020 at 12:43 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Fake Messiah - January 25, 2020 at 1:46 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by WinterHold - January 25, 2020 at 3:15 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Fake Messiah - January 25, 2020 at 3:53 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by WinterHold - January 25, 2020 at 4:17 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Fake Messiah - January 26, 2020 at 12:49 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 18, 2022 at 2:37 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Mister Agenda - December 10, 2019 at 10:26 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Prycejosh1987 - January 20, 2020 at 4:34 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by LostLocke - January 23, 2020 at 10:07 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 18, 2022 at 9:34 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by WinterHold - January 20, 2020 at 5:41 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 17, 2022 at 5:49 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Paleophyte - January 20, 2020 at 7:00 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by BrokenQuill92 - January 21, 2020 at 8:29 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Belacqua - January 21, 2020 at 6:36 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Fake Messiah - January 23, 2020 at 7:16 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 17, 2022 at 6:22 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by arewethereyet - January 20, 2020 at 7:08 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Fake Messiah - January 21, 2020 at 1:48 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 17, 2022 at 7:47 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Belacqua - January 21, 2020 at 2:09 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 17, 2022 at 11:19 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Belacqua - September 17, 2022 at 4:35 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by The Grand Nudger - January 21, 2020 at 6:42 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Sal - January 23, 2020 at 8:32 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Belacqua - January 23, 2020 at 10:00 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Fake Messiah - January 24, 2020 at 3:01 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Belacqua - January 24, 2020 at 4:46 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Fake Messiah - January 24, 2020 at 6:03 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Belacqua - January 24, 2020 at 6:49 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 24, 2020 at 7:09 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Fake Messiah - January 24, 2020 at 9:05 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 18, 2022 at 2:04 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by WinterHold - January 24, 2020 at 11:06 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 18, 2022 at 9:20 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by WinterHold - January 23, 2020 at 8:59 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by The Grand Nudger - January 24, 2020 at 7:45 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Sal - January 24, 2020 at 8:41 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Belacqua - January 24, 2020 at 5:26 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by The Grand Nudger - January 24, 2020 at 9:19 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Fake Messiah - January 24, 2020 at 9:56 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by The Grand Nudger - January 24, 2020 at 10:53 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by The Grand Nudger - January 24, 2020 at 11:12 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by WinterHold - January 24, 2020 at 12:11 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by The Grand Nudger - January 24, 2020 at 12:52 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Mr Greene - January 24, 2020 at 8:34 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by The Grand Nudger - January 25, 2020 at 5:32 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Mr Greene - January 25, 2020 at 4:51 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by The Grand Nudger - January 26, 2020 at 5:05 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by EgoDeath - January 26, 2020 at 11:11 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by R00tKiT - January 27, 2020 at 9:07 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by EgoDeath - January 27, 2020 at 11:41 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 18, 2022 at 3:11 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by R00tKiT - September 18, 2022 at 6:09 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 19, 2022 at 2:14 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by R00tKiT - September 19, 2022 at 5:48 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 20, 2022 at 6:11 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by R00tKiT - September 20, 2022 at 3:45 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 21, 2022 at 12:10 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Rev. Rye - January 26, 2020 at 11:28 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by EgoDeath - January 26, 2020 at 11:42 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Rev. Rye - January 26, 2020 at 11:51 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by EgoDeath - January 27, 2020 at 12:53 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 27, 2020 at 9:45 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by R00tKiT - January 27, 2020 at 9:53 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 27, 2020 at 9:57 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by R00tKiT - January 27, 2020 at 10:18 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 27, 2020 at 10:20 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by R00tKiT - January 27, 2020 at 10:36 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 27, 2020 at 11:43 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 19, 2022 at 2:32 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 18, 2022 at 3:42 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 18, 2022 at 3:18 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by WinterHold - January 27, 2020 at 5:41 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 19, 2022 at 2:38 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by The Grand Nudger - January 27, 2020 at 10:26 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 27, 2020 at 10:28 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by The Grand Nudger - January 27, 2020 at 10:29 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by The Grand Nudger - January 27, 2020 at 10:54 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by The Grand Nudger - January 27, 2020 at 3:14 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by WinterHold - January 27, 2020 at 3:27 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by EgoDeath - January 27, 2020 at 3:32 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by The Grand Nudger - January 27, 2020 at 3:47 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by WinterHold - January 27, 2020 at 3:53 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by EgoDeath - January 27, 2020 at 11:23 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by WinterHold - January 28, 2020 at 12:27 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 19, 2022 at 2:51 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by The Architect Of Fate - September 19, 2022 at 3:00 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 19, 2022 at 3:54 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by The Grand Nudger - January 27, 2020 at 4:03 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by EgoDeath - January 29, 2020 at 12:30 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by EgoDeath - February 2, 2020 at 7:04 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by WinterHold - February 3, 2020 at 5:42 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by EgoDeath - February 4, 2020 at 11:09 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Belacqua - February 5, 2020 at 6:42 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by EgoDeath - February 5, 2020 at 10:29 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by The Grand Nudger - February 3, 2020 at 5:47 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by The Grand Nudger - February 5, 2020 at 10:13 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Eclectic - September 17, 2022 at 6:52 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 17, 2022 at 7:50 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Eclectic - September 17, 2022 at 11:35 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Angrboda - September 18, 2022 at 3:40 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 18, 2022 at 3:48 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Angrboda - September 18, 2022 at 3:56 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 19, 2022 at 1:50 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Eclectic - September 18, 2022 at 11:42 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Mister Agenda - September 19, 2022 at 11:27 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 19, 2022 at 2:16 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Eclectic - September 19, 2022 at 4:29 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 20, 2022 at 5:56 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Eclectic - September 20, 2022 at 6:14 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 20, 2022 at 6:43 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 20, 2022 at 7:24 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Eclectic - September 19, 2022 at 3:51 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Eclectic - September 19, 2022 at 2:10 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 19, 2022 at 3:51 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by arewethereyet - September 19, 2022 at 4:39 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 20, 2022 at 7:28 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by arewethereyet - September 20, 2022 at 10:04 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Eclectic - September 20, 2022 at 12:49 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 21, 2022 at 11:33 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Eclectic - September 22, 2022 at 4:25 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by The Grand Nudger - September 21, 2022 at 12:00 pm
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - September 25, 2022 at 2:31 am
RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest - by Leonardo17 - October 2, 2022 at 2:54 pm

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