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[Quranic Reflection]: Magic
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic
It's funny how the discussion turned from a "Quranic Reflection" into a "Biblical Reflection".
I remind the reader again: the Quran -Islam's source book- described magic as:

Quote:Sura 20, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#...rans=en_sh

( 69 )   And throw what is in your right hand; it will swallow up what they have crafted. What they have crafted is but the trick of a magician, and the magician will not succeed wherever he is."

The OP is about the Quran; not the bible.

(December 29, 2019 at 11:08 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:
(December 29, 2019 at 10:28 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: How you say it is "magic" even though the verse in the Quran explicitly said that Moses -peace be upon him- wasn't a magician, is beyond me:
Because it is magic. You can call it a miracle all you like. it's just the same as magic. The normal rules are suspended for the duration of the magic (or miracle). They are one and the same. Calling magic a "miracle" does not change what happened in any way. Labelling things does not change their nature. It's just a fucking label.


Who cares what your book of magic says? Really?
No it is not. With its own admission actually:
Quote:Sura 13, The Quran:
https://quran.com/13/31
Dr. Ghali

(31) And if there had been a Qur'an whereby the mountains were made to travel or the earth were cut up (into pieces) or the dead were spoken to-no indeed, to Allah is the Command altogether. Have the ones who have believed then not learned (Literally: despaired "of human efforts") that, if Allah decided, He would indeed have guided mankind altogether? And a smiler will not cease afflicting the ones who have disbelieved for what they have worked, (i.e., what they have done) or it (i.e., the punishment) alights near their residence until the promise of Allah comes up to them. Surely Allah does not fail His promised appointment.

It's not a magic book, Please don't repeat the argument because it will be very silly; especially after seeing verses like the one above.

As for it being a "miracle"; the above verse also tells you that there is no such thing, this book can't be used to move mountains or cast spells -even if the Shamans of the Sunni/Shiite institutions lied to you and told you so-.

Quote:Yeah, wow that you really are that gullible. It's a little sad. Until one realises that you want it. You dont believe it because it is true, or has evidence to back it up, or anything. You simply want it to be true.

Believe me; one of the main reasons that keep me hanging to Islam and the Quran -and of course their God- is the grim truth of the universe when you remove God from the equation.
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[Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by WinterHold - December 28, 2019 at 10:24 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by LadyForCamus - December 28, 2019 at 10:31 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by WinterHold - December 28, 2019 at 11:11 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by The Grand Nudger - December 28, 2019 at 11:38 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by Abaddon_ire - December 29, 2019 at 12:48 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by WinterHold - December 29, 2019 at 4:53 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by no one - December 29, 2019 at 5:10 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by Gawdzilla Sama - December 29, 2019 at 8:33 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by Fake Messiah - December 29, 2019 at 8:39 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by The Grand Nudger - December 29, 2019 at 9:37 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by WinterHold - December 29, 2019 at 10:28 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by Abaddon_ire - December 29, 2019 at 11:08 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by Gawdzilla Sama - December 29, 2019 at 12:14 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by Rhizomorph13 - December 29, 2019 at 6:55 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by WinterHold - December 29, 2019 at 10:01 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by Paleophyte - December 29, 2019 at 11:09 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by Deesse23 - December 30, 2019 at 5:00 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by R00tKiT - December 30, 2019 at 8:05 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by WinterHold - December 30, 2019 at 8:31 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by R00tKiT - December 30, 2019 at 8:35 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by no one - December 29, 2019 at 10:50 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by The Valkyrie - December 29, 2019 at 10:54 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by The Grand Nudger - December 29, 2019 at 11:55 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by WinterHold - December 30, 2019 at 2:02 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by The Grand Nudger - December 30, 2019 at 9:38 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by R00tKiT - December 30, 2019 at 10:09 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by WinterHold - December 30, 2019 at 10:22 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by Mister Agenda - December 30, 2019 at 10:11 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by LastPoet - December 30, 2019 at 1:17 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by The Grand Nudger - December 30, 2019 at 10:08 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by The Grand Nudger - December 31, 2019 at 5:09 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by WinterHold - December 31, 2019 at 5:15 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by The Grand Nudger - December 31, 2019 at 5:19 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by WinterHold - December 31, 2019 at 5:42 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by Paleophyte - December 31, 2019 at 4:03 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by WinterHold - December 31, 2019 at 7:46 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by Abaddon_ire - December 31, 2019 at 7:54 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by WinterHold - December 31, 2019 at 10:37 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by Abaddon_ire - January 1, 2020 at 2:40 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by Paleophyte - January 1, 2020 at 2:56 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by WinterHold - January 1, 2020 at 6:00 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by Deesse23 - January 1, 2020 at 7:15 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by LastPoet - January 1, 2020 at 9:49 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by Paleophyte - January 1, 2020 at 2:28 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by Deesse23 - January 1, 2020 at 5:44 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by The Grand Nudger - December 31, 2019 at 5:43 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by Deesse23 - December 31, 2019 at 6:12 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by The Grand Nudger - December 31, 2019 at 6:25 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by WinterHold - December 31, 2019 at 7:13 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by The Grand Nudger - December 31, 2019 at 3:39 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by The Grand Nudger - December 31, 2019 at 4:37 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by Peebo-Thuhlu - December 31, 2019 at 11:28 pm
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by WinterHold - January 1, 2020 at 12:26 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by Peebo-Thuhlu - January 1, 2020 at 1:33 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by WinterHold - January 1, 2020 at 2:22 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by Peebo-Thuhlu - January 1, 2020 at 6:09 am
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Magic - by The Grand Nudger - January 1, 2020 at 1:02 pm

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