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The Logistics of Reparations
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RE: The Logistics of Reparations
Sigh let's go over this 

Quote:I will not entertain any debate of whether or not reparations for slavery should be paid - but simply want to figure out the logistics.
Okay 


Quote:Who gets how much - and who pays it?
It doesn't have to be monetary as many reprocanist want government investment in fixing the legacy of slavery and Jim Crow that has left Blacks behind and continues to harm their future  


Quote:Would this have been done 140 years ago - it would be very simple  (and just) - if you were a slave you get paid X dollars for however many years you were a slave.
It doesn't have to be monetary 


Quote:No problem.
Okay


Quote:However - now - there isn't anyone who was a slave during that period. (of course there's slaves now -but nobody seems to give much of a shit about that)
It's not about if anyone is currently a slave it's about how slavery and subsequent issues of racism have left black behind 


Quote:So who gets paid now - and how much?
It doesn't have to be monetary 


Quote:You can't simply say - "my ancestor was a slave". 

And then my ancestors faced generations as second class citizens and then there children faced the effects of both  


Quote:That isn't a data point. "My great great great grandfather (provide name) was a slave (provide years) - and we have one data point. Unfortunately - the slave owners took advantage of the female slaves and a fair number of them sired offspring. So if your great great great grandfather was a slave -- and another great great great grandfather was a slave owner - doesn't the one cancel the other out??? After all - we shouldn't be paying the owners of slaves a damned cent.
No it doesn't as most of the time the children of slave masters were not free men nor even if they were raping your grandmother is hardly compensation . 

Quote:And - what if you have 1 great great great grandfather who was a slave - and a great great great grandfather who was a freeman --- they did exist. Do you get a half share?
Jim crow affect free blacks 


Quote:Then there's the problem of who foots the bill.
The government that was ultimately responsible for allowing slavery to be legal and wrote and maintained racist laws 


Quote:Again -- 140 years ago - it would be easy. The slave owners are the guilty bunch. They should have paid. It doesn't seem right to make abolitionists who risked everything to help free the enslaved.
Again the government 


Quote:It just seems it will be a hugely complicated task to figure out who is owed what - and distribute it equitably. What will be considered legal evidence of heredity and who decides what is a fair share?
It doesn't have to be monetary 


Quote:The only simple way - is to show up -have somebody take a look at you and say "Yup. You look like a black guy - here's your money."
It doesn't have to be monetary and non monetary proposals would focus on fixing the disadvantages blacks still face due to history 

Quote:And who pays?
The government 


Quote:White people only? Are native Americans exempt? How about Asians? Latinos?
The government 


Quote:What about white people who's ancestors immigrated after slavery was made illegal? They didn't have anything to do with it. Why should they pay?
The government 

Quote:Because they're white????
The government 


Quote:Isn't that kinda racist?
The government isn't a race
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The Logistics of Reparations - by onlinebiker - June 24, 2020 at 11:23 am
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by The Grand Nudger - June 24, 2020 at 11:30 am
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 24, 2020 at 11:36 am
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by onlinebiker - June 24, 2020 at 12:30 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 24, 2020 at 12:35 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by The Grand Nudger - June 24, 2020 at 11:43 am
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 24, 2020 at 12:30 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by onlinebiker - June 24, 2020 at 12:36 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 24, 2020 at 12:39 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by onlinebiker - June 24, 2020 at 12:43 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 24, 2020 at 1:28 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by onlinebiker - June 24, 2020 at 1:35 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 24, 2020 at 1:49 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by onlinebiker - June 24, 2020 at 3:51 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by The Grand Nudger - June 24, 2020 at 12:32 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by Helios - June 24, 2020 at 12:36 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by Helios - June 24, 2020 at 12:39 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by Helios - June 24, 2020 at 12:48 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by The Grand Nudger - June 24, 2020 at 1:01 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by The Grand Nudger - June 24, 2020 at 1:41 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by Rev. Rye - June 24, 2020 at 2:13 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by The Grand Nudger - June 24, 2020 at 2:17 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by Rev. Rye - June 24, 2020 at 3:10 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by The Grand Nudger - June 24, 2020 at 4:14 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by Rev. Rye - June 24, 2020 at 4:30 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by onlinebiker - June 24, 2020 at 4:57 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by The Grand Nudger - June 24, 2020 at 4:33 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by Helios - June 24, 2020 at 4:43 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by Helios - June 24, 2020 at 5:06 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by The Grand Nudger - June 24, 2020 at 5:18 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by Helios - June 24, 2020 at 5:23 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by The Grand Nudger - June 24, 2020 at 5:25 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by Helios - June 24, 2020 at 5:44 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by The Grand Nudger - June 24, 2020 at 5:55 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by Helios - June 24, 2020 at 6:14 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by Rev. Rye - June 24, 2020 at 9:41 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by Helios - June 24, 2020 at 11:58 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by The Grand Nudger - June 24, 2020 at 10:56 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by The Grand Nudger - June 25, 2020 at 12:25 am
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by Mister Agenda - June 25, 2020 at 10:59 am
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by CarveTheFive - June 25, 2020 at 11:11 am
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by The Grand Nudger - June 25, 2020 at 11:45 am
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by CarveTheFive - June 25, 2020 at 1:09 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by The Grand Nudger - June 25, 2020 at 1:19 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by CarveTheFive - June 25, 2020 at 1:45 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by The Grand Nudger - June 25, 2020 at 2:03 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by Rank Stranger - September 29, 2020 at 1:23 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by Helios - September 29, 2020 at 3:25 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by The Grand Nudger - September 29, 2020 at 1:26 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by Rank Stranger - September 29, 2020 at 3:43 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by Helios - September 29, 2020 at 3:56 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by Rank Stranger - September 29, 2020 at 5:14 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by Helios - September 29, 2020 at 5:19 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by Rev. Rye - September 29, 2020 at 6:09 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by The Grand Nudger - September 29, 2020 at 6:11 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by Helios - September 29, 2020 at 6:41 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by Anomalocaris - September 29, 2020 at 7:17 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by Drich - September 30, 2020 at 1:04 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by The Grand Nudger - September 30, 2020 at 1:34 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by arewethereyet - September 30, 2020 at 1:37 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by Drich - September 30, 2020 at 4:12 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by arewethereyet - September 30, 2020 at 4:24 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by Rev. Rye - September 30, 2020 at 1:46 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by Drich - September 30, 2020 at 4:30 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by HappySkeptic - September 30, 2020 at 4:45 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by Rev. Rye - September 30, 2020 at 5:05 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by onlinebiker - September 30, 2020 at 5:32 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by The Grand Nudger - September 30, 2020 at 5:43 pm
RE: The Logistics of Reparations - by Fake Messiah - March 18, 2022 at 8:19 am



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