RE: The most stupid misconceptions about Islam
October 14, 2020 at 11:48 am
(This post was last modified: October 14, 2020 at 12:10 pm by R00tKiT.)
(October 14, 2020 at 10:48 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: The main issue, at least from my perspective - with it being a religion of war, or any religion of war in general...are situations that don't fall within your justifying boundaries of horrible reality and evil people.
A religion of war is still a religion of war when it's targets are good people, when it is the horrible thing in reality.
Anywho, your three items weren't all that instructive towards my perception of islam. Aside from that kafir bit, which is related to the above. As a religion of war it propagandizes dissent. It wouldn't take more than a few moments to get you to accuse others of covering up the truth, and that's the underlying premise of this thread. That stupid atheists and fake muslims are covering up the truth.
Even further down the rabbit hole..what is the problem here, what is the objection that you think you can clear up by removing this misconception supposed to be? That this religion of war isn't singling out a big group, just a little one. Not us...you know, someone else. No harm no foul. Do you agree with the sentiments misinterpreted by english transitions to a broader group when they're contained to proper context?
Okay. First of all, it's not clear which criteria is involved when you use the word good. One can of course be a genuinely good person by not harming anybody his entire life, maybe devote himself to charity work, and at the same time refuse to worship God while acknowledging that some evidence presented to him is compelling, that is, matching the kafir' description. According to Islamic belief - or any abrahamic belief -, this person does go to hell. Do we disagree ? is this repugnant or unfair ? The simple thing is : it's not up to us..
If one knowingly denies evidence for a creator, that is, the same power or deity that gave him the very brain and other senses he's denying it with, then it doesn't matter, according to Islamic belief, how good and cute he is. It doesn't matter if I took care of my neighbor's garden after I denied his existence and pretended I have absolute freedom and authority.
Secondly, I never said atheists or some Muslims cover up the truth. In general, it's very difficult to actually be a kafir and just continue to deny very compelling evidence one did encounter. Lots of objections can be cleared up if this is understood properly, such as whether Islam is an extremist belief or a threat to society etc. or any similar accusation.
(October 14, 2020 at 10:47 am)Sal Wrote: I read the Danish translation of the Satanic Verses by Salman Rushdie.
To this day, I don't understand what all the fuss was about.
The Satanic Verses are fabricated verses that Muhammad supposedly uttered by mistake -therefore disproving his prophethood entirely- , they basically praise the deities worshipped by Arab pagans in Muhammad's time to make Islam look more appealing to them, even though Muhammad's main message is strict monotheism.
The hadith recounting this is not authentic at all according to hadith authentication specialists.
(October 14, 2020 at 10:47 am)onlinebiker Wrote: Any protest of "that isn't REAL _______ " (fill in blank with any religion) overlooks the simple fact that it is all just made-up nonsense - about as real as a mermaid giving a unicorn a hum job.......
Are you sure Islam is made up ? I think I already challenged the members here to give an acceptable alternative explanation of Muhmmad's claims, that is, to defend one of the two assertions :
1- That Muhmmad lied knowingly about his prophethood throughout 23 years of his life.
2- That he was deluded into believing that angels talked to him. Christian missionaries generally mention temporal lobe epilepsy as the most tenable diagnosis. Modern historians of Islam don't take this one very seriously.
Good luck defending one of these two coherently.