RE: The most stupid misconceptions about Islam
October 15, 2020 at 12:16 pm
(This post was last modified: October 15, 2020 at 12:20 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(October 15, 2020 at 11:59 am)Klorophyll Wrote:So what indeed. You began this doomed argument to say that the extremists got it wrong, but..somehow, ended up telling us that they got it right and you agreed with them. How is this supposed to achieve what you set out to do?(October 15, 2020 at 11:07 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: You're telling me that the people on the shitlist, which exists, deserve exactly what the extremists say.
That's right. So what...?
Quote:No, pal. That's not my own criteria, that's Islam's criteria. If you seriously object to the explanation of the word kafir' I gave, you're going to have to delve deeper into islamic jurisprudence and cite some sources.You set out to tell us that the extremists had it wrong, and that islam does not contain this criteria, but..somehow, ended up telling us that they got it right and you agree with them, that this is islams criteria. How is this supposed to achieve what you set out to do?
Quote:Whom are you talking about? The extremists..? You yourself acknoweldge they got the wrong size of your so-called "shitlist"..?I don't think they got the size wrong, you do..but not for any reason you've yet offered.
All policemen agree on shooting an armed thief, extremist policemen go further and decide to shoot anyone suspected to be one. Sure, an arbitrary policeman and an extremist policeman do have something in common because, obviously, "extremist policemen" are a subset of policemen. So, playing on the word extremist isn't going to be of much help, I'm afraid.
Quote:You are mistaken about Islam. You just said we agree with extremists on the kafir's definition, and it turns out we're not.Do you and the extremists both believe that we're human property? If so, then "we" do not agree..you and the extremists agree, together - and I'm wondering which of you is coming to collect on your claims to property.
Yes, I already know that western civilization doesn't have the same belief system as the eastern civilization, so what.? You think that a deity, if exists, - the same deity that created people - has no "right" to own people, though you already know we deal with inescapable constraints such as us being fallible, vulnerable to disease, permanently exposed to death. All these constraints own us, and my guess is it's not us who put such constraints in place.
Quote:What exactly do you mean by, "my things"...? You don't really own anything. If I consider my physical body, I already know that I can't consciously control my heart rate or my respiration. Despite the two being critical for my survival.
All it takes to strip a human being of any sense of control is one little bug affecting neural control of hand movements, for example. It takes a lot of coordination across the nervous system to hold something and claim it as one's "proprety" - and you don't own or control anything in your nervous system, which is a good thing. It would take considerable effort to breath and pump blood consciously across all your organs.
So, how can one own anything, if one doesn't own his blood flow and breath.?
That's a strange question to ask coming from someone who just claimed that god owned all the people. Seems to me like you don't need ownership explained to you. God doesn't have nerves and he still owns every human worm - so stow this nonsense about nerves as though they mattered.
I'm honestly not interested in bickering with you over the articles of your slaving faith. I'm pointing out that you're not correcting misinterpretations or resolving objections. You're affirming both as articles of your faith - and for bonus points (I guess?) adding more detestable shit as a defense of the detestable shit already included.
From this side of the islamist bubble, you're flat out stepping on rakes. What you're doing isn't going to work, it will have the opposite effect. If people object to your religion because it puts dissenters into a cosmic torture pron dungeon and declares us all human property - saying that it definitely does that is not correcting a misinterpretation or resolving an objection.
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