RE: The most stupid misconceptions about Islam
October 22, 2020 at 7:35 am
(This post was last modified: October 22, 2020 at 7:45 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(October 22, 2020 at 6:57 am)Klorophyll Wrote: And rightfully so. Nature still needs to come from something. The teleological arguments at least force one to acknowledge something supernatural must be there. If nature isn't eternal, then it must have come from something, non natural by definition, a "supernature".They do not force anyone to do any such thing, because they are incapable of demonstrating any such thing - which is what Kant, for example, proceeded to explain directly after your quote mine. This demonstrates that you have a novel understanding of what is and is not reasonable.
Quote:What do you mean by shared justifications ? What I am presenting here in the thread is not justfications at all, it's Islam 101, which you're ignorant of. And as a result, you cannot draw a clear distinction between suicide bombers and the rest.What a great way to build a sandwich. With the above in mind, let's take a look below, shall we?
Quote:Enemies of truth and reason who have been presented compelling evidence and yet still reject your god and your religion. In short, kafir.(October 21, 2020 at 8:01 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Onward and upward. What do you think about people who reject your argument and your god even as they see all of the majesty and order and somethingness in the universe?
If they reject them on reasonable grounds, then I think no less of them than believers or Muslims. If not, they would be enemies of truth and reason.
(October 22, 2020 at 7:22 am)Klorophyll Wrote: If appearance of design isn't evidence of design, then nothing can possibly be evidence of design.
I'll stop you right here. The teleological argument is not the contention that design is evidence of design, but that the appearance of design is evidence of a god.
We all agree that things which appear to be designed are likely to have arisen from something capable of producing the effect we observe.
One wonders, if it were otherwise, what effect there would be to observe in the first place. If there were nothing that could make a star, we lowly human worms wouldn't have stars to look up at in wonder, comically imagining some super-abled version of ourselves fashioning each one in a great cosmic forge.
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