RE: The most stupid misconceptions about Islam
October 22, 2020 at 9:29 am
(This post was last modified: October 22, 2020 at 9:30 am by R00tKiT.)
(October 22, 2020 at 8:20 am)Sal Wrote: You've described absolute cowardice, when humans are confronted with their slowly approaching inevitable Death. Just accept the reality of your finite & limited human Nature and continue living. The harm and all the crap that follows from osmosis by deluding ourselves about afterlife is a fucking evil joke.
Whether life, in any conceivable sense, ends with our biological death is unknowable, absent some strong evidence for some religion. You came to this life "by surprise", as it were. What makes you think there won't be any surprising awakening , especially if there is an all powerful being for whom resurrection of the dead is a trivial operation?
If a just god exists, an afterlife must exist. This is an absolutely true logical statement.
(October 22, 2020 at 8:20 am)Sal Wrote: Sophistry. I know a computer is designed, because I know about computer designers, where is the Universe designer?
I personally didn't meet any Acer engineering team to be convinced that my laptop is designed. I am nonetheless absolutely certain that it's designed.
(October 22, 2020 at 7:35 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: They do not force anyone to do any such thing, because they are incapable of demonstrating any such thing - which is what Kant, for example, proceeded to explain directly after your quote mine. This demonstrates that you have a novel understanding of what is and is not reasonable.
The appearance of design makes the existence of a designer more likely than not. Our increasing awareness of how complex life and nature increases this likelihood.
(October 22, 2020 at 7:35 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Enemies of truth and reason who have been presented compelling evidence and yet still reject your god and your religion. In short, kafir.
Yes, they are the very definition of the label kafir.
(October 22, 2020 at 7:35 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I'll stop you right here. The teleological argument is not the contention that design is evidence of design, but that the appearance of design is evidence of a god.
We all agree that things which appear to be designed are likely to have arisen from something capable of producing the effect we observe.
One wonders, if it were otherwise, what effect there would be to observe in the first place. If there were nothing that could make a star, we lowly human worms wouldn't have stars to look up at in wonder, comically imagining some super-abled version of ourselves fashioning each one in a great cosmic forge.
And this super abled version of ourselves still needs its contingent existence accounted for. And once again, you're facing the problem of infinite regress. We discussed the latter before in some thread and I presented a case for why such a regress is impossible.