RE: The most stupid misconceptions about Islam
October 22, 2020 at 11:59 am
(This post was last modified: October 22, 2020 at 12:13 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(October 22, 2020 at 10:40 am)Klorophyll Wrote: And I already explained how these categorizations are not up to us, remember? If a god out there truly makes rejecting compelling evidence gravely immoral, then rejecting compelling evidence is gravely immoral. Case closed. End of the story.You keep missing the point entirely. Sure, you follow your handed down rules - and people object to those rules. There's no misconception. You can stomp your feet and call us stupid and say that it just is that way from here to eternity - but it's not as if human beings have never objected to rules that exist. A tyrant that exists is still a tyrant - and isn't made less so on account of being real.
Muslims don't have some feud with kafirs. They just follow handed down rules.
Quote:All this is irrelevant, I'm afraid. If you accept the causality principle, you're forced to account for your own existence. Unless you think the latter principle is some delusion one has in his head.....I have very little trouble accounting for my own existence. I met the people involved.
Quote:I think there is a slight misunderstanding here. I am not asking you to agree with the premise -that infinite regress is impossible, I know you don't. I am telling you that the entire argument is sound.Yes, that's what you're telling me. The problem is that what you're telling me is demonstrably false.
(1) Infinite regress is impossible
(2) Something that begins to exist has a cause.
Therefore there has to be a first cause.
The conclusion does follow from the premises. So your ad infinitum part bets an infinite regress of actual causes.
If an assertion leading to infinite regress demonstrates that there is a problem with the assertion because infinite regress is impossible, then your argument is categorically unsound by your own stated metrics. This is always the trouble when we invent rules in order to immediately break them. If something that begins to exist must have a cause then a god who begins to exist must have a cause. If a god that does not begin to exist can evade the asserted clause then so can a cosmos in an identical state. Let's just toss all of that aside, though. Let's assume that your trash god is really real, and these are the real rules, that really exist.
There's more than a slight misunderstanding. We can bicker about these things above until we're blue in the face - but none of them will clear up any misconception, and none of them will magically compel me to islam. You think that reason and evidence demonstrates that a god exists. It doesn't, but frankly it wouldn't matter if it did, now would it? Real or imaginary, your god is trash. If what you believe is true, let that sink in...if what you believe is true... then I'm uninterested in being a part of it. You can't clear this misconception up, nor can you credibly call it a misconception, if you affirm the truth of the things I object to.
Understand?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
