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Imagine this...
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RE: Imagine this...
(May 12, 2021 at 3:30 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote:
(May 11, 2021 at 4:12 pm)Drich Wrote: again another very distinct difference between our thought processes. i do not allow myself to cut out historically documented events just because they do not fit my narrative. take the document or leave it. i can not cherry pick what i want to believe.
Good for you - but what you believe in isn't any of the historical jesi.  
i assume you mean jesus not that im trying to be a spelling nazi, not not aware of a jesi in the role of a jesus.. that said yes i do, just not your version of the historical jesus. and again what makes your version of the historical jesus right?

Quote:my short minded brother there wasn't a university of historical record keeping a 1st century historian must graduate from to be considered a proper historian. what made a 1st century writer a historian was the subject matter he wrote about. if he recorded events or researched and recorded events he was deemed a historian. luke fits this bill like it or not. what's more his non affiliation with the church in the book of Luke makes that record a secular account.
Quote:No, he doesn't....and no....nothing in magic book is a secular account.  Words - again.
again yes he does.. and yes... and luke account was written hundreds of year before as a standalone historical account before the bible/magic book was compiled. As again luke at the time of authorship was not a follower/christian affiliated with the church or those events. he was sent by his master a none christian to document and send back a report of what went down with Jesus.
Quote:Entirely true, go look it up for yourself.  No real unbiased historian™ has a thing to fucking say about christ as history. 
like it or not my guy luke and everyone else who documented a gospel that wasn't there did so as a scribe or from a point of documenting history. you only dismiss them because they were later assimilated into the bible.. that is dishonest assessment. take the civil war.. let say between the washington news paper that came out weekly and the atlanta new paper that came out bi weekly every single major even minor events of the civil war was documented. then 100 years later (more like 300 years later) all those papers were compiled alone with personal letter from both sides, into one exhaustive collection of books on the civil war.. then say someone may want to make the argument that the civil war was fought because the south wanted to own slaves.. but this book does not full agree with this idea, so this whole book is dismissed as souther propaganda, because it contains news paper clippings and letters from southern soldiers which clearly have to be full indoctrinated and can be dismissed without review. this is what you are doing with the bible. you are taking primary source material out of the context in which it was written, and forcing it to align itself with ritual from a completely different religion. one you have deemed foolish and or immoral tainting everything in the book.

It's flat intellectual dishonesty to dismiss the whole bible and everyone's individual work as religious. theses are the people who havent any interest in truth only an easy intellectual way out without looking at or considering anything that might threaten their prejudice narrative or sense of superority.

Quote:This, even though plenty of them do believe that jesus was christ.  The rest is the same garbage you've peddled before and been corrected on - I see no reason to re-correct you.  
see above.. "seeking easy way out with out thought or effort." just a move to dismiss point to your own sense of superiority.
aside from being pure lazy, this does not work here sport.
try something else. or roll over and go back to sleep.

Quote:You don't believe in any historical jesus.  You think those accounts of a man who lived and died and was forgotten like any other are both false, and heretical.  Your disagreements with words, historians, and history...aren't disagreements with me.  I'm a little bit surprised that you gave such little care to the historicity of jesus that you didn't know this stuff already.  Seems like it might be important - even though you strenuously disagree with everything the subject matter contains.  OTOH, it's often the case that people are embarrassed by the progenitor of their cult, I suppose.  Preferring legend and myth to the uncomfortable humanity of a real person.

The historical jesus, put simply, is the notion - based on the criterion of embarrassment - that a man was baptized by john and crucified by rome.  That's it. That's all.  That's the whole enchilada.  That's the historical jesus that historians are nearly (lol) universally agreed on.  Where was he born?  Not a clue.  Where did he live? Not a clue.  What was his name?  Not a clue.  What was he crucified for?  Not a clue.  What did he have to say..about anything?  Not a clue.  Did he have disciples?  Not a clue.  Did they continue on after his death?  Not a clue.
Jerkoff
again, once you look at first person records, the historical jesus fills out to the gospel specifications. again not letting you dismiss the accounts of luke and mark just because you say so/just because you are not intellectually honest to admit that those two by all rights were non affiliated historians/scribes. so suck it up, move on or your welcome to try again. this time we will need some citations. not just the fact that their work was included in the bible 300 years after or some biased bull shite commentary by some contemporary hater. Rather we need to see primary sourced material that shows luke and mark to be a shill for the church/conspired to be included in a religious book of magic. (your standard of proof not mine just holding you to it as what is good for the goose is also good for the atheist)
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RE: Imagine this... - by WinterHold - May 3, 2021 at 4:50 am
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RE: Imagine this... - by Jehanne - May 3, 2021 at 6:58 am
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RE: Imagine this... - by The Grand Nudger - May 3, 2021 at 7:06 am
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RE: Imagine this... - by Peebo-Thuhlu - May 3, 2021 at 5:50 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by Belacqua - May 3, 2021 at 7:43 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by Fake Messiah - May 4, 2021 at 1:01 am
RE: Imagine this... - by The Grand Nudger - May 3, 2021 at 4:17 pm
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RE: Imagine this... - by Peebo-Thuhlu - May 4, 2021 at 12:04 am
RE: Imagine this... - by Belacqua - May 4, 2021 at 12:25 am
RE: Imagine this... - by Peebo-Thuhlu - May 4, 2021 at 1:16 am
RE: Imagine this... - by Fake Messiah - May 4, 2021 at 3:01 am
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RE: Imagine this... - by Fake Messiah - May 4, 2021 at 11:10 am
RE: Imagine this... - by Ranjr - May 4, 2021 at 1:44 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by Fake Messiah - May 4, 2021 at 2:37 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by The Grand Nudger - May 4, 2021 at 2:42 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by Drich - May 4, 2021 at 3:49 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by Fake Messiah - May 5, 2021 at 12:50 am
RE: Imagine this... - by Nomad - May 6, 2021 at 1:51 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by Fake Messiah - May 13, 2021 at 1:55 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by Drich - May 13, 2021 at 1:59 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by Fake Messiah - May 13, 2021 at 6:24 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by The Grand Nudger - May 4, 2021 at 3:54 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by Drich - May 5, 2021 at 9:53 am
RE: Imagine this... - by Fake Messiah - May 5, 2021 at 10:51 am
RE: Imagine this... - by Jehanne - May 5, 2021 at 10:15 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by Ranjr - May 6, 2021 at 10:02 am
RE: Imagine this... - by The Grand Nudger - May 6, 2021 at 10:41 am
RE: Imagine this... - by Drich - May 11, 2021 at 4:12 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by The Grand Nudger - May 6, 2021 at 2:41 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by no one - May 11, 2021 at 4:18 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by Ranjr - May 11, 2021 at 11:21 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by The Grand Nudger - May 12, 2021 at 3:30 am
RE: Imagine this... - by Drich - May 13, 2021 at 1:39 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - May 13, 2021 at 1:52 pm
RE: Imagine this... - by The Grand Nudger - May 13, 2021 at 2:39 pm

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