(May 23, 2021 at 6:21 am)Five Wrote: Jesus supposedly suffered for our sins. Victims of sinners suffer from the same sins that Jesus already suffered for. The sinner is often unrepentant, feels no guilt and doesn't suffer. So what's the point of Jesus' suffering if the victim also suffers but not the sinner?
Why wasn't someone sent to take on the suffering of the victims? That would be nice. It seems though that the victims have to suffer for sins that Jesus already suffered for. It's like the sin is double dipping.
I remember reading about Polly Klass years ago. She was a 12 year old girl who was kidnapped from her house while she was having a slumber party. Richard Allen Davis, who had been in and out of jail several times, broke into her house at night and kidnapped, abused and murdered her. Polly and her family suffered greatly for what he did. He is still alive and unrepentant in jail.
If Jesus already suffered for what Davis did, why did poor Poly also have to suffer? Why didn't Jesus suffer for Polly? The only person who didn't suffer was Davis. He probably regrets being in jail but not what he did to Polly. If he has a chance to repent in the next life, why did Poly and her family have to pay the price when Jesus already took care of it. Makes no sense.
A hero will throw him/herself in front of a bullet for a friend. The hero suffers a bullet wound but the friend is saved. Only one person is hurt.
Jesus took a bullet for us all but we are still shot and suffer from the same bullet. Jesus suffered and we suffer. What's the point of all the suffering? So the shooter can go to heaven? What about the victims? Who suffers for them?
So he who has suffered and is without sin... cast the first stone. The Pharisees basically asked this same question when they caught a woman in the act of adultery and was trying to trick him into stoning her/condemn her to death.
Then he began to write out different sins on the ground, presumably the sins of the spiritual leaders who are acting as if where being traumatized by this woman's sins.
So jesus said, you without sin throw the first stone.
the same is true here. one none are without sin. two remember we put 'moral value' on sin. having one sin greater than another. Meaning what ever sin someone sins against you, is nothing compared to the sum total of sin you in a life time have sinned against god. IE the greater debt here is between you and god and not someone against us even if they murder us. as a life times of what we would consider minor sin are millions of examples of times you have shat on god, verse the one big duce you got from this guy who...
this is also explain in the parable of the unmerciful servant..
